Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
El stovey said:
Heathrow (and Gatwick) expansion have been delayed with endless consultations by all the previous governments, largely due to politics associated with noise and the disruption caused by the expansion.
Heathrow with the approach paths being over London is especially unpopular with voters. Both Heathrow and Gatwick needed new runways ten years ago.
Although environmental concerns may be cited over delaying expansion yet again, I doubt it will mean other infrastructure plans would automatically suffer the same fate.
Heathrow with the approach paths being over London is especially unpopular with voters. Both Heathrow and Gatwick needed new runways ten years ago.
Although environmental concerns may be cited over delaying expansion yet again, I doubt it will mean other infrastructure plans would automatically suffer the same fate.
El stovey said:
I wonder what new big infrastructure projects the government will be pushing through? All of them will meet the same resistance.
The conservatives can’t be the party that’s serious about emissions targets and infrastructure project spending. There’s going to be conflict with these different pledges.
Boris talks about the U.K. becoming a leader in new environmental technology maybe that’s where these projects will be? Or maybe none of them will happen?
It's bullsThe conservatives can’t be the party that’s serious about emissions targets and infrastructure project spending. There’s going to be conflict with these different pledges.
Boris talks about the U.K. becoming a leader in new environmental technology maybe that’s where these projects will be? Or maybe none of them will happen?
t though, the expansion of air travel will continue but the new routes will go to CdG/Schipol/Frankfurt instead and the UK economy will relatively stagnate, simply because those governments actually had the balls to build/expand runway capacity when it was needed rather than the UK way of talking about it for 50+years but not actually doing it. The UK is investing a lot of money in making aircraft more efficient and in technology which may result in a zero emission airliner but it's not likely to mature very soon, there might be short-haul liners in service in quantity by 2050 but there's a vanishingly small prospect of similar long haul liners in that time scale so zero carbon by 2050 is basically wish-thinking of a very stupid kind.turbobloke said:
Typically: agw support posts = personal angle / attack = no compelling empirical evidence = very reassuring (still).
It's unsurprising you have to reach for this disingenuous argument given your increasingly desperate position but anyone reading the thread knows it's not true. There are countless examples of the denier arguments being challenged head-on, including several examples showing you to be misrepresenting science.The personal attacks are from both sides so attempting to claim some moral high ground there is laughable. Remind me, who is it attacking David Attenborough, all climate scientists, everyone who works for NASA, Greta Thunberg etc.?
Besides, pointing out that an unreliable source is an unreliable source is the correct response. Trying to dismissing it with some "attacking the messenger" waffle doesn't make it any less valid.
Holy ice batman! No holes.
The exchange of an Arctic research crew has been delayed due to the relief Russian ice breaker getting blocked by 'unexpected dense sea ice'. A crew on the research ship Polarstern must stay on site longer than previously thought.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/olden...
We keep hearing this, with 'climate warriors'
previously rescued by helicopter for the same reason. Unexpected? This is what you get for truly believing in holy agw ice using agw model gigo and warm guru opinion. Data says the ice is thick but the data don't matter, the ice is settled, the time for debate is over but the time for rescue isn't.
The exchange of an Arctic research crew has been delayed due to the relief Russian ice breaker getting blocked by 'unexpected dense sea ice'. A crew on the research ship Polarstern must stay on site longer than previously thought.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/olden...
We keep hearing this, with 'climate warriors'
previously rescued by helicopter for the same reason. Unexpected? This is what you get for truly believing in holy agw ice using agw model gigo and warm guru opinion. Data says the ice is thick but the data don't matter, the ice is settled, the time for debate is over but the time for rescue isn't.A previous but recent and similar debacle with climate warriors who got stuck in the ice that wasn't there.
https://www.maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-w...
https://www.maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-w...
AGW propaganda needs to heat up a bit, if that's possible. A recent Newspoll has found most Australians to the tune of 56% believe the main cause of recent bushfires is a lack of proper hazard reduction. All that money, hype, airtime, and it didn't work. Oh well never mind what a shame. An Institute of Public Affairs’ representatve Gideon Rozner told Sky News host Gemma Tognini that "opportunistic use of these bushfires by climate alarmists” has failed to convince people of the effects of climate change on bushfires. This outcome for ecohype is worse than previously thought.
zygalski said:
Well that's it then, I'm convinced AGW is a scam. A boat in the Arctic found some ice.
Job jobbed by the deniers I'd say.
FFS
The arctic has always been held up as the bellwether for the climate in relation with AGW, do we just ignore what is happening because it doesn't fit the narrative? Job jobbed by the deniers I'd say.
FFS
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/11/18/the-ice-fre...
Um I think I've got the solution to C02 ... Ta Da !! commuter tax simple to administer and will save the planet
so this is how it works ...take the post code of workers home address and work post code and charge based on distance
say start at 10 pence per mile .. I don't know what the cost to the economy would be but that doesn't matter because climate
crisis .... good eh !!!
so this is how it works ...take the post code of workers home address and work post code and charge based on distance
say start at 10 pence per mile .. I don't know what the cost to the economy would be but that doesn't matter because climate
crisis .... good eh !!!
Bernie Sanders and one of his top supporters, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) are disgusted by the lack of climate change questions at Tuesday evening’s Democrat debate, with the New York lawmaker calling it a “horrifying” development.
One of the Democrat Party’s go-to talking points (this refers to climate wibble) was noticeably absent from this week’s discussion. “Not a single climate change question. Horrifying,” Ocasio-Cortez remarked following the debate.
It's OK. AOC knows the data don't matter, model socialism-by-climate is really a vote winner for the Dems. Actually it's not OK it's a disgrace, what's Bristol got anyway?
Greta!
One of the Democrat Party’s go-to talking points (this refers to climate wibble) was noticeably absent from this week’s discussion. “Not a single climate change question. Horrifying,” Ocasio-Cortez remarked following the debate.
It's OK. AOC knows the data don't matter, model socialism-by-climate is really a vote winner for the Dems. Actually it's not OK it's a disgrace, what's Bristol got anyway?
Greta! zygalski said:
Thanks for sharing. I thought everyone on the consensus side said the Arctic would be ice free years ago? Guess they were wrong. That's never happened before I'm sure.stew-STR160 said:
zygalski said:
Thanks for sharing. I thought everyone on the consensus side said the Arctic would be ice free years ago? Guess they were wrong. That's never happened before I'm sure.zygalski said:
Once the icebound warriors read that, the ice they're stuck in will melt by the heat of faith.Why not 1922 onwards, the satellite era is convenient but far too short as timescales go - cherry picking rules the seas. Today's changing Arctic is business as usual for the region, it's not unprecedented and there's no need for climate voodoo explanations.
Then there's Arazny et al (2019) which reminded everyone, well not quite everyone, that an Arctic expedition 1930/31 measured temperatures more than 4°C warmer than the present day, which authors relate to ETCW. That heresy against doctrine is Early Twentieth Century Warming (1930s). Insufficient carbon dioxide alert.
In other news: glaciers are refusing to follow the hype. How dare they!
https://canadafreepress.com/article/glaciers-defy-...
zygalski said:
stew-STR160 said:
zygalski said:
Thanks for sharing. I thought everyone on the consensus side said the Arctic would be ice free years ago? Guess they were wrong. That's never happened before I'm sure.stew-STR160 said:
zygalski said:
Thanks for sharing. I thought everyone on the consensus side said the Arctic would be ice free years ago? Guess they were wrong. That's never happened before I'm sure.The cycle of the planet every 100,000 years alternating between 90,000 years of ice age, followed by 10,000 year interglacial period of increased warming has been likely ended by human intervention over the past 5,000 years with farming, increased population and then the industrial age. The planet is now about 2,000 years overdue its going into the next ice age for around another 90,000 years.
Once the human race has ended its existance on this plant, as it will do at some point, or at the very least, we see the end of the industrial age in a few hundred years time, with a massive population reduction, the planet will gradually return to its natural cycle over a few thousand year period.
aeropilot said:
We as humans can't have our cake and eat it, despite what the eco-Nazi's want you to believe.
The cycle of the planet every 100,000 years alternating between 90,000 years of ice age, followed by 10,000 year interglacial period of increased warming has been likely ended by human intervention over the past 5,000 years with farming, increased population and then the industrial age. The planet is now about 2,000 years overdue its going into the next ice age for around another 90,000 years.
Once the human race has ended its existance on this plant, as it will do at some point, or at the very least, we see the end of the industrial age in a few hundred years time, with a massive population reduction, the planet will gradually return to its natural cycle over a few thousand year period.
The alarmists only care about the industrial revolution through to today. Prior to that CO2 can't really be accounted for by humans, so they ignore it.The cycle of the planet every 100,000 years alternating between 90,000 years of ice age, followed by 10,000 year interglacial period of increased warming has been likely ended by human intervention over the past 5,000 years with farming, increased population and then the industrial age. The planet is now about 2,000 years overdue its going into the next ice age for around another 90,000 years.
Once the human race has ended its existance on this plant, as it will do at some point, or at the very least, we see the end of the industrial age in a few hundred years time, with a massive population reduction, the planet will gradually return to its natural cycle over a few thousand year period.
2000 years overdue an ice age? Where did you get that from? We're due a small one in the next few hundred years. As for breaking the long term climate cycle, there is no evidence to support that claim at all. That's effectively ignore any orbital/solar/cosmic forcings entirely.
stew-STR160 said:
2000 years overdue an ice age? Where did you get that from?
The scientists say the last one ended 12,000 years ago, and each previous interglacial period lasted about 10,000 years, so the planet should have been starting to head into one from about 2,000 years ago, from known data of previous ice ages.Human intervention over the past 3,000 years or so has made it unlikely that we will, until we return to the dark ages in a post industrial age.
This would occur anyway in a gradual way over the next several hundred years at the present populations consumption of materials, but the eco-Nazi's want it to happen overnight instead causing even more problems than if you let it happen gradually.
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