Bristol and Diesel ban
Discussion
Macron said:
Back to Bristol,
Mayor proposes closing loads of random roads in apparent bid to reduce pollution.
At least one has no pollution, and is just a sop to the University so it can have a fancy pedestrianised bit. Because the city is nothing but one giant block of student flats now, which as they don't pay council tax is a weird thing for the council to encourage. Oh well.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bo...
Without reading that.Mayor proposes closing loads of random roads in apparent bid to reduce pollution.
At least one has no pollution, and is just a sop to the University so it can have a fancy pedestrianised bit. Because the city is nothing but one giant block of student flats now, which as they don't pay council tax is a weird thing for the council to encourage. Oh well.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bo...
Yesterday I nearly posted that there seems to be a bigger covert masterplan being implemented without any sort of grand traffic plan being published for consultation. There just seems to be too many individual plans to make any sense of it
Hmmm
Looks like Bristol Council are rethinking the diesel ban. Email received today:
Bristol City Council said:
New Traffic Clean Air Zone options
Some cities with air quality levels above legal limits have been directed to charge vehicles to drive in certain areas. We don’t want to do this unless we have to, as we know some people rely on their vehicles and charging would heavily impact families on low income.
The council’s preferred approach to improving air quality is one that doesn’t charge or ban certain vehicles, but instead maintains the new ways we have been travelling since lockdown that has made Bristol’s air much cleaner.
Covid-19 has changed the way we live and travel. Fewer cars on our roads has made the air we breathe much better and we have accelerated changes to through traffic, cycle lanes and improvements to buses to help. Further improvements to roads around the city are also being planned to make it easier to walk, cycle or use public transport. If we build on these changes, we could achieve clean air in the city without having to put a charging zone in place, but we’ll need to keep up the cleaner ways we are travelling.
However, if air pollution rises again, we would need to put in place a vehicle charging zone to reduce it.
Some cities with air quality levels above legal limits have been directed to charge vehicles to drive in certain areas. We don’t want to do this unless we have to, as we know some people rely on their vehicles and charging would heavily impact families on low income.
The council’s preferred approach to improving air quality is one that doesn’t charge or ban certain vehicles, but instead maintains the new ways we have been travelling since lockdown that has made Bristol’s air much cleaner.
Covid-19 has changed the way we live and travel. Fewer cars on our roads has made the air we breathe much better and we have accelerated changes to through traffic, cycle lanes and improvements to buses to help. Further improvements to roads around the city are also being planned to make it easier to walk, cycle or use public transport. If we build on these changes, we could achieve clean air in the city without having to put a charging zone in place, but we’ll need to keep up the cleaner ways we are travelling.
However, if air pollution rises again, we would need to put in place a vehicle charging zone to reduce it.
Scrump said:
Looks like Bristol Council are rethinking the diesel ban. Email received today:
Shocking! It seems like someone’s worked out the root issue is the absolutely arse backwards state of the road system/traffic flow in the centre! Bristol City Council said:
we have accelerated changes to through traffic, cycle lanes and improvements to buses to help. Further improvements to roads around the city are also being planned to make it easier to walk, cycle or use public transport. If we build on these changes, we could achieve clean air in the city without having to put a charging zone in place,
Scrump said:
Latest consultation is for a CAZ in the city centre which would ban diesel cars older then Euro 6 and petrol cars older than Euro 4. If they have to do something then this seems better a better option than their previous proposal.
Well that’s one of the two options, either inconveniencing a small number of people in a small area, or the other is to charge anyone who lives close to the city centre who needs a tradesperson or delivery.Sadly Marvin will doubtless get back in next year, as despite his jolly to see YTL overseas where he had “hospitality”, and came back and immediately and personally cancelled the Arena on Arena Island, the whole £30M down the drain Bristol Energy fiasco, pay rises for his staff, contractors on £1500 a day, and national headlines about his childish behaviour to journalists, he is now “politician of the year” after other people threw a statue in a river, so this lunacy will continue.
I tried to drive down St Michaels Hill past the BRI the other day, making that one lane outside the children’s hospital just means traffic backs up for miles, the pollution is insane. I assume this kills two birds with one stone for them:
A) We’re encouraging cycling, look at the empty lane you could use instead of a car, and
B) Goodness isn’t pollution awful, we have to give you two options now with potentially more to come later, both of which involve us taking cash from people.
I live in Scotland now. Fewer people so less immediate air pollution. Politics are still s
te though. Don’t miss Bristol one bit.I doubt Marvin get back in, very few Bristolians give a st about the statue, we all walked past it regularly without taking offence or doffing a cap and he sold everyone down the river with the arena, his man of the people act is transparent and he made up a new tier 1.5 COVID restriction for Bristol which no one understood or implemented. Sadly the whole mayor thing is just red vs blue again as I can’t see an independent standing which much of a chance without big backing
t about the statue, we all walked past it regularly without taking offence or doffing a cap and he sold everyone down the river with the arena, his man of the people act is transparent and he made up a new tier 1.5 COVID restriction for Bristol which no one understood or implemented. Sadly the whole mayor thing is just red vs blue again as I can’t see an independent standing which much of a chance without big backingLooking at the revised proposals it seems that the A370/A4 link over the Brunel Way bridge has been reincluded back in the central zone. I thought this had been amended after the previous consultation?
It would mean many vehicles would have to either go on a big detour to the east or go all the way out to Avonmouth.
It would mean many vehicles would have to either go on a big detour to the east or go all the way out to Avonmouth.
Not planning on returning to the office anytime soon anyway. Can't see properly on the map, but the last scheme had my office, my wifes office and the NCP in it. With the CAZ, the new road layouts and the Galleries going to mixed use development, let alone the various lockdowns, Bristol city centre is going to be very different and not for the better.
juice said:
from the previous bbc page theyre going to introduce the charges in the red zone here
Is it still going to apply to just cars or now commercial vehicles including buses?
saaby93 said:
from the previous bbc page theyre going to introduce the charges in the red zone here
Is it still going to apply to just cars or now commercial vehicles including buses?
Is it still going to apply to just cars or now commercial vehicles including buses?
| Type of vehicle | Option 1 CAZ D | Option 2 CAZ D (inner zone) | Option 2 CAZ C (outer zone) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Private petrol cars | £9 | £9 | No charge |
| Private diesel cars | £9 | £9 | No charge |
| Taxis | £9 | £9 | £9 |
| LGVs | £9 | £9 | £9 |
| HGVs | £100 | £100 | £100 |
| Buses | £100 | £100 | £100 |
| Coaches | £100 | £100 | £100 |
For both options, the charges would apply 24 hours a day, seven days a week to non-compliant (older, more polluting) models of each type of vehicle.Any vehicle would only be charged once in each 24 hour period.
For option 2, a vehicle that is charged to enter the CAZ C (outer zone) would not be charged again if they also enter the CAZ D (inner zone).
From here
https://www.cleanairforbristol.org/
markymarkthree said:
£100 to run an artic per day.
That's a mob i do a bit of work for stuffed then as they are in CAZ C with a dozen trucks.
Its a joke.That's a mob i do a bit of work for stuffed then as they are in CAZ C with a dozen trucks.
I run a small fleet. None of our vehicles are euro 6.
The cost per truck is £25k a year for the CAZ.
The cost to lease a new truck is roughly the same.
So we are between a rock and a hard place.
It means the cost of our goods needs to go up by 30-40%. The only people who will benefit from this are the larger companies that already have a business model that supports newer vehicles.
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