Guy gets dog to kill cat? WTF is wrong with some people?

[George Smiley]

I hope the perpetrator doesnt get a chance to paws for thought as he is dealt swift woof justice

[pequod]

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

[RemyMartin81D]

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

Hmm.

pequod also said said:

Nope, the end result is still the same. You clearly wish to defend the cats natural tendency to hunt, whatever devastation it causes to wildlife in their hunting ground, and despite my wish that wildlife are unmolested on my property, you are happy to allow it.

I believe that is equivalent to some arse who trains his dog to attack cats

[pequod]

RemyMartin81D said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

Hmm.

pequod also said said:

Nope, the end result is still the same. You clearly wish to defend the cats natural tendency to hunt, whatever devastation it causes to wildlife in their hunting ground, and despite my wish that wildlife are unmolested on my property, you are happy to allow it.

I believe that is equivalent to some arse who trains his dog to attack cats

I stand by my comment. If a cat is allowed to attack wildlife despite the owner being advised their animal is responsible for the decimation, I see this as being equivalent to a dog owner allowing their animal to roam around attacking cats or other dogs, etc., without remorse.

[OriginalFDM]

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

[pequod]

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

Agreed, as I pointed out in an earlier post, this **** needs to realise that training his dog to deliberately attack cats is not acceptable by any standard.

The question I raised regarding cats attacking wildlife is for another place as this is getting all 'mumsnet', and doesn't need to be discussed further in this room.

The moron has rightly been jailed and will probably get a kicking whilst there, enough said??

[OriginalFDM]

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

The moron has rightly been jailed and will probably get a kicking whilst there, enough said??

We can hope

[pequod]

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

The moron has rightly been jailed and will probably get a kicking whilst there, enough said??

We can hope

Indeed, and I hope you aren't going to edit my post in later discussion?

[nute]

OriginalFDM said:

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

[OriginalFDM]

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

The moron has rightly been jailed and will probably get a kicking whilst there, enough said??

We can hope

Indeed, and I hope you aren't going to edit my post in later discussion?

I was just trying to cut down the quote size and make it obvious to which part I was replying, jeez!

[OriginalFDM]

nute said:

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

Disagree completely about the extent of the difference between this particular incident and ‘letting your cat outside’ but I do understand the wider point.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

OriginalFDM said:

TheJimi said:

Toyoda said:

RemyMartin81D said:

I sincerely hope someone batters this to death inside.

Bit excessive. It's not as if he's a murderer/rapist etc.

PH cat loving lynch mob out in force on this thread.

If that was my cat, I'd have no issues whatsoever in chucking that into a cage with a coupe of hungry & pissed off big cats.

I agree with Remy's sentiment. I sincerely hope someone properly batters fk out him - at the very least.

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

Pretty much agree with all you, RM and TJ say. A cat has an instinct, it can be considered blameless. This guy is a sadistic fk who deserves all which may come his way.

[gazza285]

nute said:

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

A bit like equating having a cat flap to dog fighting then?

[pequod]

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

pequod said:

OriginalFDM said:

Absolutely. I know which life I value more between this and the cat he allowed to be ripped apart.

You don’t have to be a ‘cat lover’ to find this sort of stuff abhorrent.

And anyone comparing a cat hunting another animal to someone deliberately setting an animal upon someone else’s pet to savage it, is a moron.

Edited by OriginalFDM on Thursday 14th November 16:26

I trust you aren't referring to me? If so, you clearly haven't understood a word I have written, and I will resist calling you moronic, just in case.

I was referring to anyone who draws an equivalency between a cat hunting and this moron actively encouraging his dog to attack a cat.

I’ve highlighted the key part as it seems to be tripping a lot of people up. We are not talking about a stray dog attacking a stray cat here, we are talking about a deliberate act by the dog owner, seemingly for the enjoyment of said .

It’s vastly different to a cat hunting a bird, whatever your views on that particular topic, and anyone who can’t see that has to be deliberately missing the point, surely.

The moron has rightly been jailed and will probably get a kicking whilst there, enough said??

We can hope

Indeed, and I hope you aren't going to edit my post in later discussion?

I was just trying to cut down the quote size and make it obvious to which part I was replying, jeez!

... or 'snip' denotes there were other comments that you chose to edit.

Just saying, as I thought this was normal forum etiquette?

[OriginalFDM]

I’m confused. I was just responding to your final paragraph so I cut the rest out to keep the size of the quote down. Wasn’t aiming to cause any offence, these forums aren’t the easiest on a phone browser.

[survivalist]

gazza285 said:

nute said:

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

A bit like equating having a cat flap to dog fighting then?

Interesting point. It seems to me that cat owners seem to feel that allowing their cat to roam freely is a right, but that dog owners should be in permanent control of their pet.

I don’t own either but this seems like a double standard.

Not a comment on someone setting their dog on someone/something which is clearly different.

[OriginalFDM]

survivalist said:

gazza285 said:

nute said:

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

A bit like equating having a cat flap to dog fighting then?

Interesting point. It seems to me that cat owners seem to feel that allowing their cat to roam freely is a right, but that dog owners should be in permanent control of their pet.

I don’t own either but this seems like a double standard.

Not a comment on someone setting their dog on someone/something which is clearly different.

Well, rightly or wrongly, the legislation is clear - its an offence for a dog to be dangerously out of control - to people or animals - in a public or private place.

Agree it’s a bit of a double standard as far as the welfare of animals is concerned, though clearly dogs can pose much more severe risk to human life than cats which I suspect is why the law is different.

[anonymous-user]

pequod said:

Just one of the many studies worldwide;

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

yet the RSPB said, ''Despite the large numbers of birds killed by cats in gardens, there is no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline. ''

''Research shows that these declines are usually caused by habitat change or loss, particularly on farmland.''

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/...

[gazza285]

survivalist said:

gazza285 said:

nute said:

Different, yes, but not to the degree you seem to think. If you let your cat outside it’s going to try it kill/catch/maim whatever it can. It’s not the cats fault, that’s just what cats instinctively do.

By letting it out the owner is allowing it to behave as it instinctively wants to, and very few of them seem to care at all. I don’t see a huge difference between this and the moron in the OP encouraging his dog to do as its instincts are telling it. The end result is the same, and both are the fault of the owner.

You might not place as much value or be as outraged about the death of a bird compared to a cat but both were/ are avoidable.

A bit like equating having a cat flap to dog fighting then?

Interesting point. It seems to me that cat owners seem to feel that allowing their cat to roam freely is a right, but that dog owners should be in permanent control of their pet.

I don’t own either but this seems like a double standard.

Not a comment on someone setting their dog on someone/something which is clearly different.

Probably because cats are not considered a danger to either people or livestock, whereas dogs are. You don't get many cats killing sheep, getting their owners mauled by aggravated maternal cows, biting postmen, and killing children in their own homes.

[J4CKO]

I do wonder about people like that, strange and deeply unpleasant.

I have a mate who has three dogs and they managed to get hold of a cat and shredded it, that was in his own garden and he was welling up telling me about it, it will always happen animals being animals but owners should do their best to mitigate that risk.

I was walking out dog the other night and a bloke came out of a house with some kind of Mastiff or some other big scary thing, which launched itself at our dog, managed to get him out of the way, then near home, there are some Victorian houses and twice now some Pit Bull looking thing has launched itself at the window, they are right onto the pavement, no garden, I jumped out of my skin, sure its a Pit bull. A lot of big dog owners seem to struggle controlling them, and like this fella seems to attract and element of people with small man syndrome.