Guy gets dog to kill cat? WTF is wrong with some people?
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Yertis said:
Halb said:
there's a certain kind of sick individual that wants to sick animals on other animals; badger baiting, dog-fighting, fox hunting, hare coursing, bear baiting, rat fighting. THese people lack a lot of humanity in themselves.
That’s an inaccurate generalisation - I’m sure you’ll disagree and that’s cool but IMO fox hunting and hare coursing are very different from those other vile activities, and there’s no lack of humanity in the participants I’ve met. Quite the reverse in fact.We’ve been up hill and down dale with this debate many times onPH, but I couldn’t leave that uncommented.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48461509
Any killing animals for " a nice day out" is living in the past. Society is getting more civilised, even though at a slow pace.
There's me feeding the birds in my garden, which attracts woodpeckers and pheasants at winter time as the woodlands lose food as is the norm, only to hear blasting away in the background. Positive notes are that the shooters spending a load of money shooting stuff just 30m from their 4x4 in case it rains means less competition for food for the clever birds that remain over winter. Also pheasants have a crap start to life and are just dumped out in the wilds, with no parent tuition, but at least they are not battery hens.
Some positive upside I am sure they are happy to read ....
Rather than spend money putting buck shot into the environment, and I did get peppered by them this year on my dog walk through the Montreal Estatate in Kent (
...poor control ) the last 2 weeks, they should be spending it down the local shops in these times.Ayahuasca said:
Allow dog to kill cat = scum
Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
Generally agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy. Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
On a minor point however "cat killing bird" is just natural (as opposed to man made like the others)
Countdown said:
Ayahuasca said:
Allow dog to kill cat = scum
Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
Generally agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy. Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
On a minor point however "cat killing bird" is just natural (as opposed to man made like the others)
Yertis said:
As I mentioned up a bit using terriers to catch rats is perfectly legal. I don't see that there's a moral difference between that and using dogs to control foxes or hares where necessary. As it happens I'm also a lover of foxes and hares (and all the other creatures of the wild) but happen to think that using what is probably the least efficient way of controlling them is, overall, the best way. At least, preferable to using machinery and chemicals. We need a lot less chemicals in the countryside.
I'm not an expert in the matter but "Terriers for rats" is possibly an efficient way of pest control, whereas getting dressed up to the nines and pursuing a fox across miles of countryside is intended more as a sport with any pest control benefits being secondary.To put it another way, we all know that lamb/cows/chickens get slaughtered for food. That doesn't mean it's ok for people to chase them around a field with a chainsaw
If you watch terriers killing rats, they are mercifully swift and efficient. It's quite mesmerising. Dogs killing foxes, not so.
As for dog vs. cat, some dogs you cannot stop killing cats. My mate had a huge cat. They lived out in the sticks and this thing would regularly drag dead, adult rabbits in through the cat flap. We visited with our two (now deceased) dogs, who were both sworn enemies of all things cat. We were outside and I saw his cat and was about to grab the maddest of our two and my mate said "no leave him, the cat'll be fine". Well he wasn't, because our dog, big lazy Staffie-Rottie cross was, over a short distance, staggeringly fast and their cat was a bit too aloof and full of himself. There was no actual harm done, although it looked like the cat was doomed and was being used to sweep the garden path. He didn't return home for two days though. Poor sod.
Current dog, on the other hand, similar size and build, is much more civilised. We were at my BIL's on Saturday and he came pretty much face to face with their cat who, just seconds before, he'd been barking at through the patio doors. An odd, peaceful standoff ensued, with the cat on the dog's bed we'd bought in and the dog on the cat's normal blanket on the sofa.
As for dog vs. cat, some dogs you cannot stop killing cats. My mate had a huge cat. They lived out in the sticks and this thing would regularly drag dead, adult rabbits in through the cat flap. We visited with our two (now deceased) dogs, who were both sworn enemies of all things cat. We were outside and I saw his cat and was about to grab the maddest of our two and my mate said "no leave him, the cat'll be fine". Well he wasn't, because our dog, big lazy Staffie-Rottie cross was, over a short distance, staggeringly fast and their cat was a bit too aloof and full of himself. There was no actual harm done, although it looked like the cat was doomed and was being used to sweep the garden path. He didn't return home for two days though. Poor sod.
Current dog, on the other hand, similar size and build, is much more civilised. We were at my BIL's on Saturday and he came pretty much face to face with their cat who, just seconds before, he'd been barking at through the patio doors. An odd, peaceful standoff ensued, with the cat on the dog's bed we'd bought in and the dog on the cat's normal blanket on the sofa.
Cat likely spends its life torturing and killing all sorts of small defenceless animals for its own amusement, not a problem. Bigger animal does same to cat and world loses its mind.
I don't agree with the guy setting his dog on the cat deliberately by the way.
Is it that the bloke set the dog on the cat or that fact the cat was killed what is upsetting people? eg if the dog was in its garden and cat came in, is it then ok if the dog had it?
I don't agree with the guy setting his dog on the cat deliberately by the way.
Is it that the bloke set the dog on the cat or that fact the cat was killed what is upsetting people? eg if the dog was in its garden and cat came in, is it then ok if the dog had it?
Yertis said:
Countdown said:
Ayahuasca said:
Allow dog to kill cat = scum
Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
Generally agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy. Allow many dogs to kill fox = sport
Allow dog to kill dog = scum
Allow cat to kill bird = meh
Allow shooter to kill bird = sport
Allow bird to kill bird = sport if falconry
Allow bird to kill bird = scum if cock fighting.
Them’s the rules.
On a minor point however "cat killing bird" is just natural (as opposed to man made like the others)
That's what a fox hunt is - it's fun for those who participate. These people are literally getting all dressed up and taking entertainment in an event that it ultimately ends with an animal being killed in a very inhumane way.
Sorry, maybe that came over a bit harsh but you consistently seem to gloss over this aspect.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 11th November 12:39
A summary from my point of view - anyone who kills things for "fun" is a scumbag. I don't care how rich they are, where they live, what they wear or even what car they drive, none of that matters. If you think it is "fun" to kill animals, you are scum to me.
PS calling it "sport" does not make you any less of a scumbag to me.
PS calling it "sport" does not make you any less of a scumbag to me.
vixen1700 said:
This was somebody's pet this 
killed. If this happened to my mother's cat it would quite literally kill her as it's her only real comfort and companion as she's 86.
Cat, guinea pig, rat (is no rat is hamster called Bas-il), or whatever, this was a pet and therefore, probably, very dear to at least one person in this world. killed. If this happened to my mother's cat it would quite literally kill her as it's her only real comfort and companion as she's 86. You can go to extremes, swatting a fly, trapping a wasp, putting down ant powder etc.
I take no pleasure in killing anything, but I fish (which means my head is above the parapet!?), always have since a nipper. I'd argue the past time gives you an appreciation of nature and kind of balance in the same way perhaps a farmer gets? (I sometimes don't really get why I like it!) I've waded out and rescued birds on friends lines (but I accept they'd have never need rescuing if we weren't fishing!), I've hooked a coot and when I got it in the Bailiff grabbed and unhooked it for me only to then literally hold it and squeeze the life out of it will continuing to chat to me, something I'd never do and was uncomfortable with (and remember 20 odd years later).
We all have our limits I think, I've no fear of spiders and rescue the ones trapped in the bath from time to time, I wince when I crush a snail in the dark or drive over something, I even wish the odd evening moth to 'pull up' as it approaches the windscreen, but that I fish may well be enough to 'convict me', when that same person might be a mass spider serial killer!
Purely on a social issue here though, fish, foxes etc are not linked to people directly, this was obviously a pet of someones and so is in no way fair game, even if your proclivities are more 'country' and it marks you out as a wrongun in my book.
Whatever you think of pest control, fox hunting and fishing etc it's to a degree a socially acceptable past time and I'd not really fear someone who said they participated........unlike this guy and his dog!
I take no pleasure in killing anything, but I fish (which means my head is above the parapet!?), always have since a nipper. I'd argue the past time gives you an appreciation of nature and kind of balance in the same way perhaps a farmer gets? (I sometimes don't really get why I like it!) I've waded out and rescued birds on friends lines (but I accept they'd have never need rescuing if we weren't fishing!), I've hooked a coot and when I got it in the Bailiff grabbed and unhooked it for me only to then literally hold it and squeeze the life out of it will continuing to chat to me, something I'd never do and was uncomfortable with (and remember 20 odd years later).
We all have our limits I think, I've no fear of spiders and rescue the ones trapped in the bath from time to time, I wince when I crush a snail in the dark or drive over something, I even wish the odd evening moth to 'pull up' as it approaches the windscreen, but that I fish may well be enough to 'convict me', when that same person might be a mass spider serial killer!
Purely on a social issue here though, fish, foxes etc are not linked to people directly, this was obviously a pet of someones and so is in no way fair game, even if your proclivities are more 'country' and it marks you out as a wrongun in my book.
Whatever you think of pest control, fox hunting and fishing etc it's to a degree a socially acceptable past time and I'd not really fear someone who said they participated........unlike this guy and his dog!
Mort7 said:
Sorry, should have been specific. The hares around here are brown hares. We've come to know where to find them, and I have my 'eye in', so I generally see them well before Mrs M does. We generally have binoculars with us too, which helps.
The closest we’ve ever come is about 4 feet away, but that was because a couple were too involved in a scrap to notice us. It's only when you get really close that you realise just how much bigger than rabbits they are.
Mrs M is also particularly fond of hares, and we also have ornaments, and artwork adorning our walls.
Off topic but she'd probably enjoy this bookThe closest we’ve ever come is about 4 feet away, but that was because a couple were too involved in a scrap to notice us. It's only when you get really close that you realise just how much bigger than rabbits they are.
Mrs M is also particularly fond of hares, and we also have ornaments, and artwork adorning our walls.
The Way of the Hare https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1472909895/ref=cm_sw_r...
I did. It was very fascinating.
RemyMartin81D said:
Off topic but she'd probably enjoy this book
The Way of the Hare https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1472909895/ref=cm_sw_r...
I did. It was very fascinating.
Thanks. Her birthday is coming up soon. Looks promising. The Way of the Hare https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1472909895/ref=cm_sw_r...
I did. It was very fascinating.
I’m sure the majority of cat lovers don’t give a second thought to the suffering their well fed cat inflicts on the wildlife in not only their garden but that of the surrounding neighbours, maiming whatever it can catch and then playing with it until it gets bored and wanders off.
I don’t agree for one moment with what the moron in the OP did, he deserves everything he gets, just pointing out the inconsistency of some posts here.
I don’t agree for one moment with what the moron in the OP did, he deserves everything he gets, just pointing out the inconsistency of some posts here.
Thesprucegoose said:
Fox hunting with dogs killing the fox is illegal but it happens. The fox isn't quickly dispatched, it doesn't reduce population numbers and besides a folly makes little difference overall.
Setting a dog on a cat is no difference to that of a fox, just one is classed as a pet the other is classed as vermin.
Once the Fox is caught it’s actually dispatched pretty quickly but that is by no means a justification for the absolute terror it must go through whilst being chased by a pack of hounds. Fox hunting is (supposedly) a sport, as a means of controlling fox numbers it’s utterly ineffective.Setting a dog on a cat is no difference to that of a fox, just one is classed as a pet the other is classed as vermin.
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