Tesla choose Germany over UK for its first European plant.
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fblm said:
i believe everything the press say too. fblm said:
Why have you have written MEng in this post?kurt535 said:
i believe everything the press say too.
You really shouldn't. Pommy said:
Why have you have written MEng in this post?
Because I can? Because despite having a Masters in Manufacturing Engineering, 20 years on I don't know a single professional engineer left in the UK so it comes as no surprise to me that the article reports that ''a shortage of people with advanced engineering and manufacturing skills will continue to undermine the UK’s economy''.Nickgnome said:
crankedup said:
Earthdweller said:
Its the proximity to all the coal powered power stations and Russian gas to power his factory and production of his “ethical” electric cars and batteries 
Yes Germany are still using the filthy coal to fire their energy needs (around 45%) No wonder they have an industrial edge when they give two fingers to our environment, just like China.The reason fitlhy coal is still used is not to provide (dirt) cheap energy. It's the jobs thing with still many thousands employed in the coal and associated power generation sector. And more importantly, the utilities companies that produce this dirty energy used to be the bluest of blue chips over here. Which means almost all municipalities are deeply invested in them and depend on returns for e.g. paying pensions to their civil servants. Which means every measure is taken to protect the legacy. Everyone knows they need to be phased out, but politics aim to do the wind down as slow as possible...
Also please keep in mind the Country is set up in a "Federal States" system. Which is also the reason Berlin is (comparativly) such a shambles. The local government has been in the hands of bona fide idiots since reunification -- i.e. the last three decades. Which isn't ideal for the whole Capital = Representation of the nation idea. But sure as hell is welcome by the rest of the country, since it gives the f
king Prussians very little power to screw over the rest of us.fblm said:
kurt535 said:
i believe everything the press say too.
You really shouldn't. Pommy said:
Why have you have written MEng in this post?
Because I can? Because despite having a Masters in Manufacturing Engineering, 20 years on I don't know a single professional engineer left in the UK so it comes as no surprise to me that the article reports that ''a shortage of people with advanced engineering and manufacturing skills will continue to undermine the UK’s economy''.Pommy GCSE English.
RedWhiteMonkey said:
swiveleyedgit said:
Anecdotally, my son, who lives and works in Berlin, has mentioned in the past that the city's finances are in the st, and they struggle to attract new business. He says there's infrastructure projects all over the city that never seem to get finished, the u bahn station where he lives has been 'nearly ready' for 10 years. I imagine Tesla opening a factory there would be a big boost for the place.
Berlin is a bit of oddity in terms of capital cities as it is relatively poor compared to the other major cities in its country. The major money in Germany is in the south. I would not be surprised if the German Government were offering incentives to Tesla.t, and they struggle to attract new business. He says there's infrastructure projects all over the city that never seem to get finished, the u bahn station where he lives has been 'nearly ready' for 10 years. I imagine Tesla opening a factory there would be a big boost for the place. Edited by swiveleyedgit on Friday 15th November 12:03
Did nobody set up any new investments in mainland Europe before brexit? Good to know they all came here before the uncertainty. Staggering really. It’s like we were the only real choice before the vote and there was never any other reason to set up elsewhere.
Funny yet again I seem to be the only person who lost jobs in the UK that manufacturing moved to Europe and nobody cared at the time.
Of course ford vans closed and moved to Turkey with Eu subsidy ( or was it Vauxhall) way before brexit as did many many more that have slipped my mind. But let’s ignore that.
Anyway carry on. remainers will only ever blame brexit for everything now. It’s intellectually dishonest.
Funny yet again I seem to be the only person who lost jobs in the UK that manufacturing moved to Europe and nobody cared at the time.
Of course ford vans closed and moved to Turkey with Eu subsidy ( or was it Vauxhall) way before brexit as did many many more that have slipped my mind. But let’s ignore that.
Anyway carry on. remainers will only ever blame brexit for everything now. It’s intellectually dishonest.
Nickgnome said:
DeepEnd said:
It's just brexiter voters way of convincing themselves it was not their vote that is killing UK manufacturing and threatening future investment.
They are only convincing themselves, and even then most surely know the linkages are all too real.
They are convincing everyone else that their views are easily swayed to fit their "brexit at all costs, it can't be wrong" narrative.
Still a Lotus hypercar might save us. Brexit = Lots of trouble, usually serious.
I owned an Elan S1 back in the 70s. A bloody lovely little car.They are only convincing themselves, and even then most surely know the linkages are all too real.
They are convincing everyone else that their views are easily swayed to fit their "brexit at all costs, it can't be wrong" narrative.
Still a Lotus hypercar might save us. Brexit = Lots of trouble, usually serious.
An heavily modded Exige S1 mid 2000s. Uncomfortable and noisy but extremely quick on a track. Not a road car though.
I don’t see Lotus growing much unless they change their offer.
RobDickinson said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
With basic model 3 Tesla`s concurrently costing around Thirty seven and a half thousand pounds, will Tesla`s be an affordable option in the UK after Brexit?
Brexit wont change its cost and with the BIK changes in April there will be a queue months long for them.My view is that is not a price point available to the masses unless some very lengthy low rate finance offering appear.
barryrs said:
RobDickinson said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
With basic model 3 Tesla`s concurrently costing around Thirty seven and a half thousand pounds, will Tesla`s be an affordable option in the UK after Brexit?
Brexit wont change its cost and with the BIK changes in April there will be a queue months long for them.My view is that is not a price point available to the masses unless some very lengthy low rate finance offering appear.
RobDickinson said:
Same price as a 320d xDrive , cheaper than a 330d to buy. Your roads are full of those.
They could be measured in the 10’s of thousands couldn’t they?Not cars for the masses in my view either. Something in the mid to late £20k would be realistic.
ETA. Seems circa £28k is the average new car price.
Edited by barryrs on Sunday 17th November 20:33
Armchair Expert said:
Sorry not read all the posts here but question why Germany, why not Poland or Czech Republic where most German companies are building their factories in Europe?
Possibly to create the perception of better build quality which is something Tesla seem to struggle with. Established German manufacturers can get away with building their already German car somewhere else but Tesla will want to be able to say they're built in Germany....bobbo89 said:
Armchair Expert said:
Sorry not read all the posts here but question why Germany, why not Poland or Czech Republic where most German companies are building their factories in Europe?
Possibly to create the perception of better build quality which is something Tesla seem to struggle with. Established German manufacturers can get away with building their already German car somewhere else but Tesla will want to be able to say they're built in Germany....
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