Voting as a muslim
Discussion
Teddy Lop said:
well talking about tax, I think the way huge concerns like amazon, starbucks etc use the eu to "offshore" profits to member countries with more favourable tax regimes does the eu no favours
But anyway this isn't eu vs rule Britannia, there's already a few of those i gather...
Have you heard of state aid, BEPS, ATAD?But anyway this isn't eu vs rule Britannia, there's already a few of those i gather...
Keoparakolo said:
anonymous said:
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There’s little comment about your link as nothing came of it. It also suggests radical things like adding “Commonwealth” to the signs for “all other passports”. That just says improved access doesn’t it 
Alpinestars said:
Teddy Lop said:
well talking about tax, I think the way huge concerns like amazon, starbucks etc use the eu to "offshore" profits to member countries with more favourable tax regimes does the eu no favours
But anyway this isn't eu vs rule Britannia, there's already a few of those i gather...
Have you heard of state aid, BEPS, ATAD?But anyway this isn't eu vs rule Britannia, there's already a few of those i gather...
And I guess visuals is what its all about, OP is concerned as a Muslim of what brexit is made out to be by those who don't like it, that'd be like me judging all Muslims using the daily mail or tommy robinson as my yardstick and having an impression of hardline scary people, when in reality the ones whose houses I work in are outwardly more concerned about what trim level they can get on their next leased german car than what the imam is saying, which makes them as westernized and british as anyone...
JuanCarlosFandango said:
As a Christian I would say having one major party who hates you and one who pander to the basest elements of your co-religionists is an important mile stone on the road to integration. Before you know it the Grand Mufti will announce that he doesn't actually believe in God and ISIS will be promoting gay marriage.
and before you know it, people will stop believing in what others tell them and the evil of religion will pass.Teddy Lop said:
Gary C said:
Teddy Lop said:
actually present a good case for the EU, and smearing brexit and downplaying the UKs standing seems to be the only tool in their toolbox, tactics familiar to anyone with experiences of controlling/abusive people.
Financial services passport ?Hate some of the EU ideal, but there are some benefits.
Evan the EU, is he the bloke who stands outside Parliament every day
Teddy Lop said:
The problem is this:
Remember that a polish guy was stabbed to death a few days after the brexit vote, which the rabid pro-remain clan were presenting as what happens now, because of brexit? Wondered why they shut up about him? Could it POSSIBLY have been that his assailant was a 15 year old black boy to whom the victim had just addressed using the n-word?
Somewhat different from the "roving gangs of neo-nazis" picture some were trying to paint.. and there is the whole problem, stop believing all the tainted and sensationalistic media BS about what brexit is, a load of people voted against the UK being an administrative region of the EU kollektiv, and that's ALL you know. Sure, there's a load of knuckle dragging racist imbeciles that will undoubtedly come out as pro UK independence, but you shouldn't judge them as typical brexiteers, any more than a guy I worked with who "supports" millwall and is covered in scars from knife wounds from fights with Cardiff etc mobs I would consider a typical football fan.
The fact is, most of the pro EU mob seem unable to actually present a good case for the EU, and smearing brexit and downplaying the UKs standing seems to be the only tool in their toolbox, tactics familiar to anyone with experiences of controlling/abusive people.
Remember that a polish guy was stabbed to death a few days after the brexit vote, which the rabid pro-remain clan were presenting as what happens now, because of brexit? Wondered why they shut up about him? Could it POSSIBLY have been that his assailant was a 15 year old black boy to whom the victim had just addressed using the n-word?
Somewhat different from the "roving gangs of neo-nazis" picture some were trying to paint.. and there is the whole problem, stop believing all the tainted and sensationalistic media BS about what brexit is, a load of people voted against the UK being an administrative region of the EU kollektiv, and that's ALL you know. Sure, there's a load of knuckle dragging racist imbeciles that will undoubtedly come out as pro UK independence, but you shouldn't judge them as typical brexiteers, any more than a guy I worked with who "supports" millwall and is covered in scars from knife wounds from fights with Cardiff etc mobs I would consider a typical football fan.
The fact is, most of the pro EU mob seem unable to actually present a good case for the EU, and smearing brexit and downplaying the UKs standing seems to be the only tool in their toolbox, tactics familiar to anyone with experiences of controlling/abusive people.
to all that!anonymous said:
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Hardly my slant. They propose 3 things:1. Add “Commonweath” to “All other passports” as I’ve already stated
2. Have a look at ways of reducing the waiting times getting through passport control - no solutions, or ideas, just “Examine ways to reduce”
3. Maybe for a few select individuals let them get into a specialist scheme
Hardly groundbreaking. It’s also hardly a resounding advert for non-racism, when they are pretty much interested in Australia / Canada / India and 5 G20 countries, South Africa is one of the others, but can’t work out who the other is. There are literally dozens of other Commonwealth countries, but they don’t seem to register in the letter.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Penelope Stopit said:
FazerBoy said:
There are of course people who voted Brexit who are racist
As there are people that voted remainPeople telling the OP religion has got nothing to do with it, but the Tories have an Islam problem, just as Labour have a Jewish problem. So for those groups, religion has got everything to do with it.
There will very likely be many racists that voted remain due to their fear of leaving the EU costing them money
Money often comes first
Penelope Stopit said:
You can't be serious
There will very likely be many racists that voted remain due to their fear of leaving the EU costing them money
Money often comes first
Leaving the EU is going to cost people money? Really? Oh dear, that’s not what was promised. There will very likely be many racists that voted remain due to their fear of leaving the EU costing them money
Money often comes first
I’ve linked this website yesterday and not one person commented on the photo that was being used to describe immigration. It clearly bears no resemblance at all to Freedom of Movement of Labour, but it must be designed to play to their audience and their fears. You know, beardy types ducking under a razor wire fence and looking like “young men of military age”
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Scroll down to the immigration under “if we voted to stay”
Teddy Lop said:
Sure, there's a load of knuckle dragging racist imbeciles that will undoubtedly come out as pro UK independence, but you shouldn't judge them as typical brexiteers, any more than a guy I worked with who "supports" millwall and is covered in scars from knife wounds from fights with Cardiff etc mobs I would consider a typical football fan.
He may not be a typical football fan.....but he is a typical Millwall fan. 
I think many Brexiteers are in danger of falling into the Mark Francois hole that Will Self dug for him. Self said that all racists were Brexiteers, and Mark Francois demanded an apology because he thought Self had said all Brexiteers are racists. And even after 10 ins of arguing, he was still too stupid to grasp the difference.
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
Gary C said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Gary C said:
and before you know it, people will stop believing in what others tell them and the evil of religion will pass.
And the world will live as one. your right, pipe dream.............
Religion may often be a dividing line but it's not usually the cause of conflict, because most religions I know of don't demand their followers to start wars.
As Brexit has shown us, dividing lines don't have to be religious. Look at the comments here, leavers are thick racists, remainers are dupes following corrupt leaders. It's not far away from "the other side" being a corrupt sect or hostile religion. Just different flags.
For many religion brings joy, structure and meaning to life that rational humanism does not. It also binds families and communities together with a common frame of reference across generations, which is something I believe to be both necessary and desirable. And infinitely better than everyone just "living for today."
Not much help to the OP though. How about the Greens?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He may not be a typical football fan.....but he is a typical Millwall fan.
I think many Brexiteers are in danger of falling into the Mark Francois hole that Will Self dug for him. Self said that all racists were Brexiteers, and Mark Francois demanded an apology because he thought Self had said all Brexiteers are racists. And even after 10 ins of arguing, he was still too stupid to grasp the difference.
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
Depends how you define racist - as by most interpretations most of the hyper-woke act I think many Brexiteers are in danger of falling into the Mark Francois hole that Will Self dug for him. Self said that all racists were Brexiteers, and Mark Francois demanded an apology because he thought Self had said all Brexiteers are racists. And even after 10 ins of arguing, he was still too stupid to grasp the difference.
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
in a massively racist way, but are unlikely to be brexiteers. In fact the anti UK/self-loathing shame thing popular with great swathes of the left is itself a form of racism...
Unless of course ones racism is restricted to racism by people with opinions you don't agree with.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He may not be a typical football fan.....but he is a typical Millwall fan.
I think many Brexiteers are in danger of falling into the Mark Francois hole that Will Self dug for him. Self said that all racists were Brexiteers, and Mark Francois demanded an apology because he thought Self had said all Brexiteers are racists. And even after 10 ins of arguing, he was still too stupid to grasp the difference.
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
I may be due a parrot, it is so difficult to tell but...I think many Brexiteers are in danger of falling into the Mark Francois hole that Will Self dug for him. Self said that all racists were Brexiteers, and Mark Francois demanded an apology because he thought Self had said all Brexiteers are racists. And even after 10 ins of arguing, he was still too stupid to grasp the difference.
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
express said:
A BREXIT supporter has claimed that she has suffered “intolerable” racist abuse from Remain campaigners after she came out in support of leaving the European Union
Excuse express link but it was a sky news interview...https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1025764/Brexit-n...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
What do you base that assertion on?Oswald Moseley was very keen on a united Europe, and supported staying in in 1975. I am not keen on posting links to the sites that discuss this as I don't wish to promote them, but they're readily available on Google if anyone is interested.
JagLover said:
True enough which is the problem with "islamophobia", because taking the word as written it means you are not allowed to express criticism of both a religion and an ideology.
Since when, in a free liberal society, have both of these aspects been exempt from debate and criticism?.
To the OP if you want a backdoor anti-blasphemy law vote Labour. If you want to live in a free society vote Conservative and at least you might have a chance at it (but no guarantee of it).
Not sure if you read some points I made, but I want to vote for a party for the issues the really matter in this country. For me thats economic policy and other matters, but anti religious sentiments from party members should not be part of it.Since when, in a free liberal society, have both of these aspects been exempt from debate and criticism?.
To the OP if you want a backdoor anti-blasphemy law vote Labour. If you want to live in a free society vote Conservative and at least you might have a chance at it (but no guarantee of it).
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 16th November 08:35
And I am a traditional Conservative voter, who's feeling a bit illusioned with the party for reasons i mentioned previously
Vanden Saab said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's ridiculous. All racists are Brexiteers. Every one. We all know this. For Brexiteers to deny it because they are embarrassed about it is a daft as a Muslim denying that all members of I.S. are Muslims. All members of I.S. are Muslims! But not all Muslims are members of I.S.
I may be due a parrot, it is so difficult to tell but...anonymous said:
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No agenda here than talking openly with you all on PH, my issues with the Conservative party as I see it. I think i've said it many times now that economically and otherwise the tories make a lot of sense for me, and Labour would no doubt ruin the economy with it's full on mental socialist policy. So I would ask you, why aren't the tories doing more to get the vote of people they might be marginalising with comments from some of their members.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff