Voting as a muslim

[RichB]

s1962a said:

fesuvious said:

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, it shouldn't be should it?

Interesting and nothing to do with your original question but are you religious? if not you are British, end of...

[Earthdweller]

s1962a said:

This is exacly the point that i'm raising.

It’s the million dollar question isn’t it ?

Brexit has caused divisions beyond anything I think Cameron ever thought possible

If you are thinking voting for one or the other party would offer more religious freedom I’m not sure I can answer that although both the left and right have proven in the past to be capable of significant racial and religious intolerance .. the left probably more so

Forgetting parts of the world where being a certain religion or sexual pursausion can result in your death ...

I can’t think of a European country or probably a northern hemisphere country that is as diverse open and tolerant as the UK

It is after all a mongrel nation formed by a thousand years of inward migration

I don’t think large parts of the EU are very tolerant and neither are the migrants from those countries

People of any race religion or colour have it pretty damn good in the UK

[s1962a]

RichB said:

s1962a said:

fesuvious said:

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, it shouldn't be should it?

Interesting and nothing to do with your original question but are you religious? if not you are British, end of...

No if i'm honest i'm not that religious.. maybe culturally a bit. But i still feel the undertones of racism against muslims whenever i heard Brexiteers talk about immigration. Let me ask you, have you noticed this?

[RichB]

s1962a said:

RichB said:

s1962a said:

fesuvious said:

Religion has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, it shouldn't be should it?

Interesting and nothing to do with your original question but are you religious? if not you are British, end of...

No if i'm honest i'm not that religious.. maybe culturally a bit. But i still feel the undertones of racism against muslims whenever i heard Brexiteers talk about immigration. Let me ask you, have you noticed this?

Have I noticed it, no but then I voted remain. I now just wish we would get on and leave. I am disgusted with the way parliament has stymied any attempt to get a deal done. I despise communism and because I am old enough to remember the values the Labour party had 40 years ago I can see how Momentum have usurped the party to their own aims, a communist republic. I also actively dislike all forms of religion which is why I ask the question.

[s1962a]

The Crack Fox said:

How should I vote as a mildly spiritual, occasionally atheist, wannabe-Buddhist-when-drunk, with Jewish, Catholic and C of E family?

Religion doesn’t come into it, really, does it? I have Muslim friends voting Tory and Labour and Green.

I dunno.

You have muslim friends voting Tory?

[newoldfart]

RichB said:

Interesting and nothing to do with your original question but are you religious? if not you are British, end of...

Why can,t you be both after all religion and nationality are not the same thing.Having said that although i respect peoples beliefs and their
right to hold them i consider myself a British athiest.

[Earthdweller]

s1962a said:

No if i'm honest i'm not that religious.. maybe culturally a bit. But i still feel the undertones of racism against muslims whenever i heard Brexiteers talk about immigration. Let me ask you, have you noticed this?

Maybe you are conflating two issues .. the fear of Islam is heightened by current events and threats .. not necessarily Brexit

When I was growing up in Blackburn in the 70’s it was the Irish that were cursed and feared ..

my junior school back then even was probably 50% Muslim but there were never any issues .. and I still have some very good Muslim friends from those days ... being Irish was to be seen as an outcast. Most Irish were hardworking god fearing decent people .. but some were planting bombs in pubs and blowing soldiers and horses up in Hyde Park

Plenty in Britain still think when someone speaks with an Irish accent

It’s impossible to read your mind and how you see it, but I think the vast majority of people look at the person not the label

You will never get away from the bigoted few unfortunately

[Robertj21a]

Forget the religion bit, this is the UK and most of us long ago realised that all religions are just brainwashing.
Brexit is now only really about ensuring we retain democracy and you will know that people have wildly differing views, regardless of their usual politics.
Vote for whoever represents your needs.

[s1962a]

RichB said:

ave I noticed it, no but then I voted remain. I now just wish we would get on and leave. I am disgusted with the way parliament has stymied any attempt to get a deal done. I despise communism and because I am old enough to remember the values the Labour party had 40 years ago I can see how Momentum have usurped the party to their own aims, a communist republic. I also actively dislike all forms of religion which is why I ask the question.

Up until the referendum, i'd hardly seen any racism. I grew up in London in the 90's and apparently there were skinhead racist gangs beating up brown people in the 80's but I never saw any of this. In fact, until the referendum I thought racism had gone away, but since then i've steadily noticed the undertones, and now people are getting bold enough to be more open about it - especially on social media and radio etc, and a lot of it is directed toward muslims. Hence me having a little rant on this thread about being pushed toward voting labour.

[s1962a]

Robertj21a said:

Forget the religion bit, this is the UK and most of us long ago realised that all religions are just brainwashing.
Brexit is now only really about ensuring we retain democracy and you will know that people have wildly differing views, regardless of their usual politics.
Vote for whoever represents your needs.

Right now that seems to be labour or the lib dems.. and i'm not voting lib dems as i dont want another referendum. But labour will rape my wallett and make me poor.. so take racism or be poorer.. which would you choose?

[anonymous-user]

s1962a said:

No if i'm honest i'm not that religious.. maybe culturally a bit. But i still feel the undertones of racism against muslims whenever i heard Brexiteers talk about immigration. Let me ask you, have you noticed this?

I think you're feeling it wrong.
We're leaving a predominantly white Christian project and our attitude to Islam is something that exists outside of the realm of that.
Discuss this attitude, work out if it's generally positive, negative or indifferent but don't attribute the outcome to brexit.

[Gary C]

s1962a said:

grumbledoak said:

So don't vote. It's not difficult, is it?

Of course i'm going to vote. Maybe you missed the point i'm trying to make.

Oh no, I don't think he missed your point at all..........

[s1962a]

Earthdweller said:

s1962a said:

No if i'm honest i'm not that religious.. maybe culturally a bit. But i still feel the undertones of racism against muslims whenever i heard Brexiteers talk about immigration. Let me ask you, have you noticed this?

Maybe you are conflating two issues .. the fear of Islam is heightened by current events and threats .. not necessarily Brexit

When I was growing up in Blackburn in the 70’s it was the Irish that were cursed and feared ..

my junior school back then even was probably 50% Muslim but there were never any issues .. and I still have some very good Muslim friends from those days ... being Irish was to be seen as an outcast. Most Irish were hardworking god fearing decent people .. but some were planting bombs in pubs and blowing soldiers and horses up in Hyde Park

Plenty in Britain still think when someone speaks with an Irish accent

It’s impossible to read your mind and how you see it, but I think the vast majority of people look at the person not the label

You will never get away from the bigoted few unfortunately

You raise very good points, and thank you for replying in such a thoughtful way. I did think the same, but having lived in London all my life, i've definitly seen an increase in anti islamic comments since the referendum and especially when people talk about immigrants. With terror incidents of course there was condemnation from extremist Islam - in my view it's totally abhorrent, but the referendum seems to have given people the platform to be more openly prejudiced against muslims.

[s1962a]

Gary C said:

s1962a said:

grumbledoak said:

So don't vote. It's not difficult, is it?

Of course i'm going to vote. Maybe you missed the point i'm trying to make.

Oh no, I don't think he missed your point at all..........

Ah, Rod Liddle?

[FazerBoy]

I voted for Brexit primarily so that (in theory) the UK could take back control over immigration.

I’m not in the least bit racist though. It’s simply that we are a small island and our infrastructure is already creaking at the seams - schools, doctor’s surgeries, hospitals, roads, transport etc.

There are of course people who voted Brexit who are racist but I don’t think you should assume that all 17.4m of us are. The UK is one of the most tolerant and open societies in the world.

Edited by FazerBoy on Friday 15th November 20:04

[grumbledoak]

s1962a said:

Ah, Rod Liddle?

Is this code?

If you don't think the Conservatives deserve your vote and you don't want to vote for Corbyn, not voting is an option. There was no subtext.

[Penelope Stopit]

Chance your luck and decide with the flick of a few coins

[Big-Bo-Beep]

muslims make up 5% of the uk population ?

that is an interesting statistic

its probably wise not to say anything further

[Penelope Stopit]

FazerBoy said:

There are of course people who voted Brexit who are racist

As there are people that voted remain

[s1962a]

grumbledoak said:

s1962a said:

Ah, Rod Liddle?

Is this code?

If you don't think the Conservatives deserve your vote and you don't want to vote for Corbyn, not voting is an option.

From that previous post, I thought your reference was to the article Rod Liddle wrote about stopping muslims from voting.

I don't belive non voting is an option. This is my country and i want to have a say in it's future, i'm just frustrated that Brexit could easily happen if it catered more to people like me, who are traditional tory voters but aren't happy with the racist undertones to brexit that affect us directly.