Voting as a muslim

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

Yeah, it shouldn't be should it?

I lived in Tower Hamlets until recently. The mayoral elections in recent years showed the damage done to U.K. politics by Muslims voting as a block in line with “community leaders” in the mosques.

That time, fortunately, Rahman was caught out and removed, but his acolytes are still all over the elections in the borough.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

Yeah, it shouldn't be should it?

I lived in Tower Hamlets until recently. The mayoral elections in recent years showed the damage done to U.K. politics by Muslims voting as a block in line with “community leaders” in the mosques.

That time, fortunately, Rahman was caught out and removed, but his acolytes are still all over the elections in the borough.

You’re saying the mayoral elections were rigged by Muslims voting en masse due to pressure from “community leaders”? Did I read that right?

Why are you bringing this topic up in relation to Muslims voting for the Conservatives. I fail to see the relevance.

[s1962a]

fesuvious said:

Why on earth would he support Islam though?

Don’t need Boris Johnson to support Islam. Just cut out the anti Islamic rhetoric from party members and have some follow up action to remove it from the party.

[Halb]

Teddy Lop said:

Historically the Jews have tended to fare quite badly under collectivist regimes.

More so than other regimes?

[Big-Bo-Beep]

Teddy Lop said:

Historically the Jews have tended to fare quite badly under collectivist regimes.

they seem to rub the arabs up the wrong way too

[anonymous-user]

s1962a said:

fesuvious said:

Why on earth would he support Islam though?

Don’t need Boris Johnson to support Islam. Just cut out the anti Islamic rhetoric from party members and have some follow up action to remove it from the party.

Forgive me if I've missed other examples that you've given but the one article you did post suggested they were already doing exactly that.

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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Yes, I agree with you, the actions taken in the last few days is a good sign for sure.

Long way to go though.

https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-muslim-islamo...

If the leadership and party are really against these sentiments then it would be nice for Boris to come out and give some assurances to those these comments are offending, and re-iterating his party has no room for these views. That would be enough for me.

However I do think that Boris won't do this as then he'll alienate another faction of Tory voter who do hold these views.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

You’re saying the mayoral elections were rigged by Muslims voting en masse due to pressure from “community leaders”? Did I read that right?

Why are you bringing this topic up in relation to Muslims voting for the Conservatives. I fail to see the relevance.

I didn’t say it, the courts did. It was a huge scandal at the time, I’m surprised that you don’t remember.

And it was in response to a couple of posts above.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

You’re saying the mayoral elections were rigged by Muslims voting en masse due to pressure from “community leaders”? Did I read that right?

Why are you bringing this topic up in relation to Muslims voting for the Conservatives. I fail to see the relevance.

I didn’t say it, the courts did. It was a huge scandal at the time, I’m surprised that you don’t remember.

And it was in response to a couple of posts above.

Ok i get it now - you were referring to the Tower Hamlets elections, and not the London Mayoral ones? Yeah, what a shower of ste those corrupt bds are.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

Ok i get it now - you were referring to the Tower Hamlets elections, and not the London Mayoral ones? Yeah, what a shower of ste those corrupt bds are.

Yes, sorry, I should have been clearer. I lived there throughout, and it was a shameful time for the borough. Not much seems to have changed, Lutfur Rahman is still hovering around in the background getting his people into positions of power.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

Ok i get it now - you were referring to the Tower Hamlets elections, and not the London Mayoral ones? Yeah, what a shower of ste those corrupt bds are.

Yes, sorry, I should have been clearer. I lived there throughout, and it was a shameful time for the borough. Not much seems to have changed, Lutfur Rahman is still hovering around in the background getting his people into positions of power.

I'm a Londoner as well, and have never seen this influence of 'voting for the community leader' as you put it. I've never been asked to vote for anyone specifically, so do you think it's a specific tower hamlets thing with the local Bangladeshi community?

[s1962a]

Here's where Boris can really show leadership

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

Condemn Tommy Robinson and what he stands for and totally distance the Tory party from it.

Can the Conservatives win the next election and deliver Brexit without the support of followers of far right sympathisers such as Tommy Robinson? I suspect not.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

I'm a Londoner as well, and have never seen this influence of 'voting for the community leader' as you put it. I've never been asked to vote for anyone specifically, so do you think it's a specific tower hamlets thing with the local Bangladeshi community?

I can’t be sure, but it does sort of look that way. There were reports of Lutfur refusing to speak to non-Bangladeshis in council meetings, for example.

The whole thing was just awful. Intimidation at polling booths and counts, people being asked to bring postal voting papers in to be filled in by “community leaders” and so on.

I’d probably call it tribalism more than religion, but his “people” are from one country, and one religion, so it’s hard to say for sure.

[B'stard Child]

DeepEnd said:

Fears over immigration have been massively hyped up by racists for years in this country.

Jesus - every fking thread - you are a complete nutcase



OP - vote for whichever party aligns with the majority of your views - none of them will align 100% probably at best 60 - 70 % hold your nose on the 30 - 40 %

CoE upbringing but Atheist now - I just take the view that if you can do something positive for another then you should and it has nothing to do with a god.

That religion has killed more people than anything else on this little planet we inhabit means fundamentally it’s not a good thing

[mr_spock]

B'stard Child said:

OP - vote for whichever party aligns with the majority of your views - none of them will align 100% probably at best 60 - 70 % hold your nose on the 30 - 40 %

Hope you don't mind me banging on about this one. To me, voting for Labour because you like some of their policies but ignoring the anti-Semitism is a bit like voting for Hitler because he made the trains run on time and had a strong foreign policy (I'm not saying Corbyn is like Hitler, but you get the point). Accepting "a little bit of anti-Semitism" is, to me, simply incomprehensible.

[Keoparakolo]

mr_spock said:

Hope you don't mind me banging on about this one. To me, voting for Labour because you like some of their policies but ignoring the anti-Semitism is a bit like voting for Hitler because he made the trains run on time and had a strong foreign policy (I'm not saying Corbyn is like Hitler, but you get the point). Accepting "a little bit of anti-Semitism" is, to me, simply incomprehensible.

As is the OP’s quandary around Islamophobia and overt racism that appears to be tolerated within the Tory Party.

If the 30-40% mentioned earlier that you disagree with is actually something very important to you then the other 60-70% pales into insignificance very quickly.

[Digga]

Keoparakolo said:

As is the OP’s quandary around Islamophobia and overt racism that appears to be tolerated within the Tory Party.

I am quite sure all parties, including the Tories can do better in terms of these issues.

However, a party with competent and convincing front-benchers like Javid and Patel cannot be accused of overt racism. They are looking in the right direction at least.

[B'stard Child]

mr_spock said:

B'stard Child said:

OP - vote for whichever party aligns with the majority of your views - none of them will align 100% probably at best 60 - 70 % hold your nose on the 30 - 40 %

Hope you don't mind me banging on about this one. To me, voting for Labour because you like some of their policies but ignoring the anti-Semitism is a bit like voting for Hitler because he made the trains run on time and had a strong foreign policy (I'm not saying Corbyn is like Hitler, but you get the point). Accepting "a little bit of anti-Semitism" is, to me, simply incomprehensible.

Bang on all you like - lots of things I liked about Hitler but his attempt at world domination amongst a few other things probably wasn’t one of them but hey ho hold your nose and all that......

Pointless me voting to be honest as under the present system of FPTP as the Conservatives have a huge majority where I live - however I will vote anyway.

[Keoparakolo]

Digga said:

I am quite sure all parties, including the Tories can do better in terms of these issues.

However, a party with competent and convincing front-benchers like Javid and Patel cannot be accused of overt racism. They are looking in the right direction at least.

You should brush up on your knowledge of them. Javid was the one calling for an investigation into Islamophobia back in June during the leadership contest. All agreed to start an investigation and they are still promising to start one soon. Meanwhile councillors continue to be suspended for exactly this. Suspending them doesn’t solve the issue, it just highlights that there is a problem that needs addressing.

[Digga]

Keoparakolo said:

Digga said:

I am quite sure all parties, including the Tories can do better in terms of these issues.

However, a party with competent and convincing front-benchers like Javid and Patel cannot be accused of overt racism. They are looking in the right direction at least.

You should brush up on your knowledge of them. Javid was the one calling for an investigation into Islamophobia back in June during the leadership contest. All agreed to start an investigation and they are still promising to start one soon. Meanwhile councillors continue to be suspended for exactly this. Suspending them doesn’t solve the issue, it just highlights that there is a problem that needs addressing.

Javid is correct.

However, when you look at the party, compared to the alternatives, it is far more tangibly progressive.