Voting as a muslim
Discussion
ATG said:
Johnnytheboy said:
OP: if your religion trumps your political opinions arrived at through rational thought,have you considered praying for guidance on how to vote?
Have you read what the OP said, because you clearly haven't understood it. BOR said:
Don't vote as a Muslim. Vote as a father. Or an uncle.
Brexit has given these racist f
k a toehold now, do you want your kids growing up knowing you didn't do what you could to block these scapegoating xenophobes ?
People like this are just about the only people I see bringing racism to the table since Brexit.Brexit has given these racist f
k a toehold now, do you want your kids growing up knowing you didn't do what you could to block these scapegoating xenophobes ?I did footwear design at Leicester DeMonfort and out of 40 of us I reckon 32 maybe 33 were Muslim, from India, Pakistan and 4 from the UK. Then 3 of us who were not from the UK, couple from Spain and Mexico.
My best mate there said something to me one day that has always stuck with me. We were talking about religion and he asked what religion I was? I said that I was brought up Christian but the reality is I hate all religions, I think they cause far too much grief and is used to control people. But, when I go to weddings, funerals, and funnily enough Christenings, I suppose I still have Christian in me because that is my family line.
He laughed and said it was the same for many Muslims back home, he said he was 'Muslim by name' all the events and the festivals, the holidays etc. were based around Islam, but the reality is for all his peers that is the only time they ever really do anything religious.
However, he said that being in Leicester freaked them all out a bit. Because they were 'Muslim' they were put in a house in the Muslim part of town, but they said it was really weird. They were stopped every day on the way into Uni by people trying to get them to go to prayers, join Muslim groups etc. etc. He said there seems to be this really weird thing of holding onto the Religion in the UK. He said it was like the old general back in India, sitting there dressed as if it were still the late 1800s, having afternoon tea and playing the British National Anthem at the events he held. Like he was clinging onto a past well gone. No one minded, he was a nice enough guy, just a bit weird.
They actually moved half way through the first term to a different area, where it was a bit more relaxed and where they felt they could just be normal people, no religion.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I think there is pressure on so many who has religion as a large part of their heritage or history to keep that religion going, the reality is just be who you want to be, nothing wrong with celebrating your religion and remembering your ancestry, but don't feel pressured to do something because of it.
I think Islam is ste, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad. 
Some of the most racist people I see are those at football, and those same people always go on about how wonderful Corbyn is and how awful The Tories are. It is normally the insular, poorly educated that come across as racist tts, and not many of those vote conservative.
I think we have a few vocal Lefties on here, but they generally earn a fortune or public sector workers who have been caught up and the left wing bubble.
Vote how you want mate, and realise that most people couldn't care less what someone's religious background is, just whether they are decent people or not. Islam has just got some bad press recently, as someone else said, it was Ireland when I was growing up.
My best mate there said something to me one day that has always stuck with me. We were talking about religion and he asked what religion I was? I said that I was brought up Christian but the reality is I hate all religions, I think they cause far too much grief and is used to control people. But, when I go to weddings, funerals, and funnily enough Christenings, I suppose I still have Christian in me because that is my family line.
He laughed and said it was the same for many Muslims back home, he said he was 'Muslim by name' all the events and the festivals, the holidays etc. were based around Islam, but the reality is for all his peers that is the only time they ever really do anything religious.
However, he said that being in Leicester freaked them all out a bit. Because they were 'Muslim' they were put in a house in the Muslim part of town, but they said it was really weird. They were stopped every day on the way into Uni by people trying to get them to go to prayers, join Muslim groups etc. etc. He said there seems to be this really weird thing of holding onto the Religion in the UK. He said it was like the old general back in India, sitting there dressed as if it were still the late 1800s, having afternoon tea and playing the British National Anthem at the events he held. Like he was clinging onto a past well gone. No one minded, he was a nice enough guy, just a bit weird.
They actually moved half way through the first term to a different area, where it was a bit more relaxed and where they felt they could just be normal people, no religion.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I think there is pressure on so many who has religion as a large part of their heritage or history to keep that religion going, the reality is just be who you want to be, nothing wrong with celebrating your religion and remembering your ancestry, but don't feel pressured to do something because of it.
I think Islam is s
te, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad. Some of the most racist people I see are those at football, and those same people always go on about how wonderful Corbyn is and how awful The Tories are. It is normally the insular, poorly educated that come across as racist t
ts, and not many of those vote conservative. I think we have a few vocal Lefties on here, but they generally earn a fortune or public sector workers who have been caught up and the left wing bubble.
Vote how you want mate, and realise that most people couldn't care less what someone's religious background is, just whether they are decent people or not. Islam has just got some bad press recently, as someone else said, it was Ireland when I was growing up.
".....( a lot).....but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core"
Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
McGee_22 said:
I always find it a little odd, even as a religous person, when during a political, or even gemeral conversation, people define their nationality with their religion; you hear the term 'British Muslim' quite a lot, as the OP here describes himself, but I would offer you hear people describe themselves with the terms 'British Protestant', 'British Catholic', 'British Presbyterian', 'British Jew', 'British Orthodox Christian' and so on far less often.
The terms make perfect and obvious sense during a conversation regarding religion but with respect to politics less so, to me at least.
If you read what I wrote up till a few years it wasn’t an issue when it came to politics. Something seems to have changed recently and (not so) closet racists seem to think it’s fair game to include a racist narrative. The terms make perfect and obvious sense during a conversation regarding religion but with respect to politics less so, to me at least.
Troubleatmill said:
".....( a lot).....but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core"
Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
Tell me why some brexit supporters think it’s fair game to include British born people in the conversation around immigration. They are as British as you and me so why not concentrate on uncontrolled EU migration when it comes to Brexit. Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
s1962a said:
If you read what I wrote up till a few years it wasn’t an issue when it came to politics. Something seems to have changed recently and (not so) closet racists seem to think it’s fair game to include a racist narrative.
Do you think it is Brexit or maybe the Islamic attacks? Weighing it up.
"Not wanting to be part of a political union" vs "what most people see about Islam is on the TV, nutters killing people shouting "Allahu Akbar"
Hmm? Tricky one that. Hahaha
I think many of the media, who can't stand Brexit, blame Brexit, the reality is more likely the nutcases who go round killing people while saying it is for Islam. The media love to stir things up a bit, and racist nutters don't need a lot to get them going.
s1962a said:
Troubleatmill said:
".....( a lot).....but how can I vote for anything to do with Brexit, when it's supporters have so much racism at it's core"
Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
Tell me why some brexit supporters think it’s fair game to include British born people in the conversation around immigration. They are as British as you and me so why not concentrate on uncontrolled EU migration when it comes to Brexit. Brexit is really simple to understand.
We want to be like the other 130 countries in the world that are not in the EU. And run our own affairs.
Is that too difficult to grasp?
If you think the core is racism - you are wrong.
Oh - and when did you stop beating your wife?
99% of the population ( there are always going to be some nutters in society ) - it is not an issue.
Stop sweating the <=1% of f
kwits.Hell, most of the Indians I know are racist as f**k, due to the cast system.
Immigration is in my eyes simple....
To be a financial net contributor to society - you need to be earning £32,000 +
If you earn less than that - you are a net beneficiary. So... ( unless there are special reasons we need you...(see below).....off you trot....)
So... on a points system - we want to attract the £32K+ candidates.
However - we also need a number of roles that pay less than £32,000. eg NHS etc etc
So... we grant those immigration too.
A never ending procession of hookers, 3 cup pedlars, 20 blokes cleaning your car for £5... etc etc - are a financial drain.
s1962a said:
Tell me why some brexit supporters think it’s fair game to include British born people in the conversation around immigration. They are as British as you and me so why not concentrate on uncontrolled EU migration when it comes to Brexit.
Please be aware that there are plenty of remain supporters who......think it’s fair game to include British born people in the conversation around immigration.
ATG said:
voyds9 said:
If you see your self as part of an homogeneous group don't be surprised when the other 95% treat you as part of an homogeneous group
Saying "I'm a Muslim" is NOT saying "I'm part of an homogeneous group." It doesn't take much imagination to see that. For example do you think Christians in Northern Ireland are an homogenous group?The homogeneity is almost always a supposition made by someone who definitely doesn't consider them self a member of the group. Anyone inside such a supposed group will see ask the factions, ranges of opinions held, the arguments, etc
Muslims are quick to point out they are not all the same
But equally quick to pull out Community Leaders who speak for everyone.
Do we need the following threads...
Voting as a muslim
Voting as a hindu
Voting as a catholic
Voting as a protestant
Voting as a jew
Voting as a plymouth brethren
Voting as a mormon
Voting as a wee free kirk of Scotland.
Voting as a flying spaghetti monster follower
Voting as a scientologist
etc
etc
It is all fking arse gravy.
There is nothing special about Islam.
It follows the same patterns as every other religion in the world.
Just vote on who you think will leave office leaving the country in a better place from when they started.
Voting as a muslim
Voting as a hindu
Voting as a catholic
Voting as a protestant
Voting as a jew
Voting as a plymouth brethren
Voting as a mormon
Voting as a wee free kirk of Scotland.
Voting as a flying spaghetti monster follower
Voting as a scientologist
etc
etc
It is all f
king arse gravy.There is nothing special about Islam.
It follows the same patterns as every other religion in the world.
Just vote on who you think will leave office leaving the country in a better place from when they started.
Troubleatmill said:
Just vote for who you think will leave office leaving the country in a better place than when they started.
I am going to do exactly that.Won't be voting for anybody. It just encourages them.
(The Nationalist Socialist will win in my constituency with a huge majority).
gizlaroc said:
I did footwear design at Leicester DeMonfort and out of 40 of us I reckon 32 maybe 33 were Muslim, from India, Pakistan and 4 from the UK. Then 3 of us who were not from the UK, couple from Spain and Mexico.
My best mate there said something to me one day that has always stuck with me. We were talking about religion and he asked what religion I was? I said that I was brought up Christian but the reality is I hate all religions, I think they cause far too much grief and is used to control people. But, when I go to weddings, funerals, and funnily enough Christenings, I suppose I still have Christian in me because that is my family line.
He laughed and said it was the same for many Muslims back home, he said he was 'Muslim by name' all the events and the festivals, the holidays etc. were based around Islam, but the reality is for all his peers that is the only time they ever really do anything religious.
However, he said that being in Leicester freaked them all out a bit. Because they were 'Muslim' they were put in a house in the Muslim part of town, but they said it was really weird. They were stopped every day on the way into Uni by people trying to get them to go to prayers, join Muslim groups etc. etc. He said there seems to be this really weird thing of holding onto the Religion in the UK. He said it was like the old general back in India, sitting there dressed as if it were still the late 1800s, having afternoon tea and playing the British National Anthem at the events he held. Like he was clinging onto a past well gone. No one minded, he was a nice enough guy, just a bit weird.
They actually moved half way through the first term to a different area, where it was a bit more relaxed and where they felt they could just be normal people, no religion.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I think there is pressure on so many who has religion as a large part of their heritage or history to keep that religion going, the reality is just be who you want to be, nothing wrong with celebrating your religion and remembering your ancestry, but don't feel pressured to do something because of it.
I think Islam is ste, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad.
Some of the most racist people I see are those at football, and those same people always go on about how wonderful Corbyn is and how awful The Tories are. It is normally the insular, poorly educated that come across as racist tts, and not many of those vote conservative.
I think we have a few vocal Lefties on here, but they generally earn a fortune or public sector workers who have been caught up and the left wing bubble.
Vote how you want mate, and realise that most people couldn't care less what someone's religious background is, just whether they are decent people or not. Islam has just got some bad press recently, as someone else said, it was Ireland when I was growing up.
Nice post manMy best mate there said something to me one day that has always stuck with me. We were talking about religion and he asked what religion I was? I said that I was brought up Christian but the reality is I hate all religions, I think they cause far too much grief and is used to control people. But, when I go to weddings, funerals, and funnily enough Christenings, I suppose I still have Christian in me because that is my family line.
He laughed and said it was the same for many Muslims back home, he said he was 'Muslim by name' all the events and the festivals, the holidays etc. were based around Islam, but the reality is for all his peers that is the only time they ever really do anything religious.
However, he said that being in Leicester freaked them all out a bit. Because they were 'Muslim' they were put in a house in the Muslim part of town, but they said it was really weird. They were stopped every day on the way into Uni by people trying to get them to go to prayers, join Muslim groups etc. etc. He said there seems to be this really weird thing of holding onto the Religion in the UK. He said it was like the old general back in India, sitting there dressed as if it were still the late 1800s, having afternoon tea and playing the British National Anthem at the events he held. Like he was clinging onto a past well gone. No one minded, he was a nice enough guy, just a bit weird.
They actually moved half way through the first term to a different area, where it was a bit more relaxed and where they felt they could just be normal people, no religion.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I think there is pressure on so many who has religion as a large part of their heritage or history to keep that religion going, the reality is just be who you want to be, nothing wrong with celebrating your religion and remembering your ancestry, but don't feel pressured to do something because of it.
I think Islam is s
te, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad. Some of the most racist people I see are those at football, and those same people always go on about how wonderful Corbyn is and how awful The Tories are. It is normally the insular, poorly educated that come across as racist t
ts, and not many of those vote conservative. I think we have a few vocal Lefties on here, but they generally earn a fortune or public sector workers who have been caught up and the left wing bubble.
Vote how you want mate, and realise that most people couldn't care less what someone's religious background is, just whether they are decent people or not. Islam has just got some bad press recently, as someone else said, it was Ireland when I was growing up.
gizlaroc said:
I think Islam is ste, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad.
True enough which is the problem with "islamophobia", because taking the word as written it means you are not allowed to express criticism of both a religion and an ideology.te, but all my Muslim mates are great, (they do know I think that too) in the same way I think Catholicism is ste, but 'most' of the Catholics I know are not too bad. Since when, in a free liberal society, have both of these aspects been exempt from debate and criticism?.
To the OP if you want a backdoor anti-blasphemy law vote Labour. If you want to live in a free society vote Conservative and at least you might have a chance at it (but no guarantee of it).
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 16th November 08:35
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