Voting as a muslim

[anonymous-user]

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[ChevyChase77]

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

[anonymous-user]

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

How the fk do I know they're not a wanted criminal if I CAN see their face? I don't go around watching old episodes of Police 5 on my phone whilst scanning the queue at John Lewis. Do you?

[ChevyChase77]

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

How the fk do I know they're not a wanted criminal if I CAN see their face? I don't go around watching old episodes of Police 5 on my phone whilst scanning the queue at John Lewis. Do you?

But if you can see their identity, authorities have a better chance of recognising them and tracing back their movements. You know when there are crimes committed or people wanted and the CCTV is a key part of the evidence.

[Getragdogleg]

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Ordinarily yes, I would say that petrol station owners react to a threat by making policies that try to mitigate that threat but I m saying that if there was a problem with Burqas and fuel thefts there is a layer of complication to banning Burqas in petrol stations that is simply not there with Motorcyclists and scarf wearers.

It might be a problem that they feel is not wise to tackle, pick your fights and all that.

[anonymous-user]

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

How the fk do I know they're not a wanted criminal if I CAN see their face? I don't go around watching old episodes of Police 5 on my phone whilst scanning the queue at John Lewis. Do you?

But if you can see their identity, authorities have a better chance of recognising them and tracing back their movements. You know when there are crimes committed or people wanted and the CCTV is a key part of the evidence.

You've progressed from moving the goalposts to chopping them up and throwing them on the fire!

I was going to say show me the evidence of the "authorities" saying there is a problem but the reality is that it is you who has the problem. You're just trying to validate your own opinion by pretending that it is a real problem for other organisations and businesses.

You're funny, but I fear I'm wasting my time trying to keep up with your flights of fantasy.

[ChevyChase77]

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

How the fk do I know they're not a wanted criminal if I CAN see their face? I don't go around watching old episodes of Police 5 on my phone whilst scanning the queue at John Lewis. Do you?

But if you can see their identity, authorities have a better chance of recognising them and tracing back their movements. You know when there are crimes committed or people wanted and the CCTV is a key part of the evidence.

You've progressed from moving the goalposts to chopping them up and throwing them on the fire!

I was going to say show me the evidence of the "authorities" saying there is a problem but the reality is that it is you who has the problem. You're just trying to validate your own opinion by pretending that it is a real problem for other organisations and businesses.

You're funny, but I fear I'm wasting my time trying to keep up with your flights of fantasy.

I don't know what you're finding so hard to understand?

If there are security issues with people covering their faces, then surely it's an issue whatever reason they choose to cover their face?

Either everyone should be able to cover their faces in a shop/petrol stations or nobody should.

[anonymous-user]

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

Getragdogleg said:

Roman Rhodes said:

2) The same bodies listed above have not had a problem being held up by people in burqas. They therefore have no “security issue” to tackle in respect of the wearing of burqas..

Quite honestly no petrol station cashier is going to touch that with a bargepole, imagine the "that's racist" fall out of asking a Burqa wearer to show their face, the poor sods don't get paid enough to poke that hornets nest.

I would suggest in terms of the "security issue" it is no different at all from a helmet or mask but the staff and management are scared to go there.

Don't you think it would be the owners and operators of petrol stations that would be raising the problem if there actually was a "security issue" to solve? Have they? Chevy has continually avoided the question, choosing instead to forget critical thinking and simply keep parroting "if helmets are a security issue then so are burqas". You seem to be doing the same or do you have evidence that petrol station operators etc. have problems with "security issues" caused by burqa wearers and want to compel their removal?

Without the evidence it just sounds like spoiled brats complaining. See also:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

How do you know they're not a wanted criminal if you can't see their face?

How the fk do I know they're not a wanted criminal if I CAN see their face? I don't go around watching old episodes of Police 5 on my phone whilst scanning the queue at John Lewis. Do you?

But if you can see their identity, authorities have a better chance of recognising them and tracing back their movements. You know when there are crimes committed or people wanted and the CCTV is a key part of the evidence.

You've progressed from moving the goalposts to chopping them up and throwing them on the fire!

I was going to say show me the evidence of the "authorities" saying there is a problem but the reality is that it is you who has the problem. You're just trying to validate your own opinion by pretending that it is a real problem for other organisations and businesses.

You're funny, but I fear I'm wasting my time trying to keep up with your flights of fantasy.

I don't know what you're finding so hard to understand?

If there are security issues with people covering their faces, then surely it's an issue whatever reason they choose to cover their face?

Either everyone should be able to cover their faces in a shop/petrol stations or nobody should.

EVIDENCE of authorities saying that the wearing of burqas constitutes a security issue. You saying "surely" does not constitute evidence.

I think I'm well aware of your opinion outlined in your last sentence. What you're struggling with is 'why?'.

[ChevyChase77]

"You can't fill up with petrol because your face is covered with motorcycle helmet"

"You can though because your face is covered with something else as you believe in a person where there is no evidence they actually exist"

[anonymous-user]

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

[s1962a]

techiedave said:

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

I started this one, and i've kind of stopped responding now as it has gone totally off topic. Also out of respect for what happened last Friday, maybe who I should be voting for isn't really a big concern right now, so maybe let this go to the archives?

[Mothersruin]

s1962a said:

techiedave said:

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

I started this one, and i've kind of stopped responding now as it has gone totally off topic. Also out of respect for what happened last Friday, maybe who I should be voting for isn't really a big concern right now, so maybe let this go to the archives?

Has it helped at all, the thread, in amongst the white noise?

[s1962a]

Mothersruin said:

s1962a said:

techiedave said:

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

I started this one, and i've kind of stopped responding now as it has gone totally off topic. Also out of respect for what happened last Friday, maybe who I should be voting for isn't really a big concern right now, so maybe let this go to the archives?

Has it helped at all, the thread, in amongst the white noise?

Yeah it has actually. Thinking out loud about things like this helps (me anyway). I walk over london bridge pretty much every day, so that attack has really saddened me, and so the topic of this thread doesn't really seem relevant to me right now.