Voting as a muslim

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there ?

"Nothing to hide is there?"

Your agenda is pretty transparent and rather sad.

What is my agenda?

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techiedave said:

If you did it as a postal vote no one would know.

I usually vote tory, thats not the issue. I can go over it again if you like what the issue is but i do feel like a parrot repeating myself

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ChevyChase77 said:

s1962a said:

ChevyChase77 said:

s1962a said:

ChevyChase77 said:

So you're against a party that has elements of prejudice but you're sticking up for a religion that has elements of prejudice?

I thought you had a fetish for face coverings?

Surely if I did I'd be sticking up for face coverings like you?

I stick up for not dictating to women (or motorcyclists) what they should wear. Where does your obsession with this topic stem from?

Aren't some women dictated to that they should wear the Burqa when in public?

If that is the case then that is wrong, and the perpetrator's should be punished. I personally do not know any women that wear the face veil - do you? So how do we find out if they are wearing it out of their free will or forced?

Still waiting for your answer on your views on racism within the tory party, and whether racism/prejudice has any place in mainstream politics.

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anonymous said:

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I'm sure you've read this thread from the beginning, and I appreciate you taking an interest, but honestly prior to brext this anti islamic/racism stuff didn't openly exist in the tory party. The abhorrent terrorist attacks did make life difficult for normal muslim folk, and myself, like others have been totally against extremist ideologies. So all this seems like a recent (post brexit) phenomenon.

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anonymous said:

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Apparently anti muslim racism increased 375% since Boris made the letterbox comments.

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ChevyChase77 said:

Racism has no place in main stream politics. But it doesn't mean elements of a religion cannot be discussed through fear of being accused of racism. That's what we need to go careful of.

Did anyone say it couldn't be discussed? I certainly didn't. This thread is about racism and anti muslim rhetoric within the tories.

It's good you agree that racism has no place in mainstream politics. Be that anti semitism for Labour or anti muslim for the tories.

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RTB said:

s1962a said:

Absolutely, yes. No racist attitudes, rhetoric, or violence should be condoned.

I suspect others on PH might not share your view.

Even if by addressing prejudice we have to curtail religious freedoms?

Expand on that? And can you tie into how that fits into the mainstream political parties (the subject of this thread)

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bhstewie said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there ?

"Nothing to hide is there?"

Your agenda is pretty transparent and rather sad.

Honestly I think we must be reading two different threads if you're reading this one and thinking s1962a is the one with the agenda.

I don't think ELUSIVEJIM will be responding to what agenda I apparently have. It's very easy to throw about statements without having to back it up.

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anonymous said:

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bo...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/b...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/anti-muslim...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/02/significant-spike-a...

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

bhstewie said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there ?

"Nothing to hide is there?"

Your agenda is pretty transparent and rather sad.

Honestly I think we must be reading two different threads if you're reading this one and thinking s1962a is the one with the agenda.

I don't think ELUSIVEJIM will be responding to what agenda I apparently have. It's very easy to throw about statements without having to back it up.

Only one person making statements.

You gonna reply then about what my agenda is?

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

bhstewie said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there ?

"Nothing to hide is there?"

Your agenda is pretty transparent and rather sad.

Honestly I think we must be reading two different threads if you're reading this one and thinking s1962a is the one with the agenda.

I don't think ELUSIVEJIM will be responding to what agenda I apparently have. It's very easy to throw about statements without having to back it up.

Only one person making statements.

You gonna reply then about what my agenda is?

You going to state what you mean by "I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there?"

Yes of course. So i started this thread about anti muslim rhetoric in the tory party post brexit, and if you read my original post you'll get some more information about my political stance and why this worries me. Since then Boris has acknowledge and apologised for this in his party (yesterday actually) so this is a good start. Some of the posters on here have been quite vocal about face veils, motorbikes, and whether criticising religion is allowed. So for them I asked the question do they have a view on these racist attitudes in the tory party since they did not declare this already. At least one person has come back saying that there is no place for racism in our mainstream political parties.

Do you have a stance on this too? Also, what is my agenda?

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

bhstewie said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

s1962a said:

I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there ?

"Nothing to hide is there?"

Your agenda is pretty transparent and rather sad.

Honestly I think we must be reading two different threads if you're reading this one and thinking s1962a is the one with the agenda.

I don't think ELUSIVEJIM will be responding to what agenda I apparently have. It's very easy to throw about statements without having to back it up.

Only one person making statements.

You gonna reply then about what my agenda is?

You going to state what you mean by "I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there?"

Yes of course. So i started this thread about anti muslim rhetoric in the tory party post brexit, and if you read my original post you'll get some more information about my political stance and why this worries me. Since then Boris has acknowledge and apologised for this in his party (yesterday actually) so this is a good start. Some of the posters on here have been quite vocal about face veils, motorbikes, and whether criticising religion is allowed. So for them I asked the question do they have a view on these racist attitudes in the tory party since they did not declare this already. At least one person has come back saying that there is no place for racism in our mainstream political parties.

Do you have a stance on this too? Also, what is my agenda?

You said "I’m asking their view on racist attitudes since they are actively participating in this discussion. Nothing to hide is there?"

Why are you stating to me personally "nothing to hide"?

To me, that is an agenda.

Maybe you can explain what the agenda is exactly? You just reiterated what you said earlier rather than explaining what my agenda is.

Also do you have a view on anti Muslim rhetoric within the Tory party ?

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anonymous said:

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Will respond to this properly later as I’m on my mobile now and not easy to quote parts of a post.

Talking about moderation and escalation don’t you think politicians should be a bit more responsible about what they write or express?

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Troubleatmill said:

The most racist people on this planet are Indians - with their cast system.

What does that have to do with UK politics ?

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ChevyChase77 said:

Keoparakolo said:

ChevyChase77 said:

So you've replied with the racist term 'gammon' in a previous response despite moaning about Tories being allegedly racist or Islamophobes, now you're hurling other insults about. All because someone has a different opinion to you.

I’m done with replying to you now. “Gammon is racist”, that has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve ever heard.

Because I've called you out for being a hypocrite.

Plenty of people think Gammon is a derogatory term based on someone's skin colour. So best not to use it IMO. Actually my faith tells me it's offensive so please don't use it....

Edited by ChevyChase77 on Saturday 30th November 09:09

What does calling someone Gammon actually imply? I’ve seen it on PH but not understood fully what it means

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techiedave said:

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

I started this one, and i've kind of stopped responding now as it has gone totally off topic. Also out of respect for what happened last Friday, maybe who I should be voting for isn't really a big concern right now, so maybe let this go to the archives?

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Mothersruin said:

s1962a said:

techiedave said:

This threads a load of bks really isn't it ?
It's like it's been deliberately designed to allow old prejudices and bitterness between posters to thrive.
All it needs is a bid of bash the jew because and it will be complete

I started this one, and i've kind of stopped responding now as it has gone totally off topic. Also out of respect for what happened last Friday, maybe who I should be voting for isn't really a big concern right now, so maybe let this go to the archives?

Has it helped at all, the thread, in amongst the white noise?

Yeah it has actually. Thinking out loud about things like this helps (me anyway). I walk over london bridge pretty much every day, so that attack has really saddened me, and so the topic of this thread doesn't really seem relevant to me right now.