8.2 Milion living alone

[Biker 1]

Her indoors just upped sticks & fked off. Nice of her....
If there's 8.2 million living alone, there MUST be a decent looking, wealthy, non-mad single woman within striking distance of my place. Maybe PH could start a dating section??

[Biker 1]

Chris Type R said:

JuniorD said:

Chris Type R said:

An increase of 1.4m people living alone over a 20 year period must have quite an impact on the need to build more housing.

And bigger servers for hosting the burgeoning online pr0n

I think the country is better equipped to the handle that growth.

Mr Corbyn will supply as much as you can consume, for free.....

[Pan Pan Pan]

Biker 1 said:

Her indoors just upped sticks & fked off. Nice of her....
If there's 8.2 million living alone, there MUST be a decent looking, wealthy, non-mad single woman within striking distance of my place. Maybe PH could start a dating section??

Must admit, I was a bit disappointed when I found out that Screwfix was a DIY store, and not the latest dating agency.

[gregs656]

Pan Pan Pan said:

So procreation is something I have made up is it?
I don't even want your life to fit into any sort of framework I could dream up. It just seems you have bought into the PBD hook line and sinker, and believe that everyone should do the same as you, in an attempt to justify your life choices. Sorry, but that doesn't work for everyone else so you will just have to learn to live with the fact that not everyone wants to think and live the same way you do.

The 'Prime Biological Directive' is something you have made up. It doesn't exist.

I have not suggested, at all, that I think anyone should do the same as me. Where have I suggested that? You are the one who is claiming we are all programmed.

[Nickgnome]

Gecko1978 said:

Nickgnome said:

Life would be a little tedious without challenges. Career, relationships, children. Surely that one of the big rewards of life.

Life doesn’t just happen. It is what we make it.

with respect Nick I would say to the vast majority of people life does "just happen" - if you never move geography, never do more than your parents or peers then life just happens. While 50 years ago you went to work where your dad did till retirement. While jobs like that (heavy industry etc) have gone we do see people still following mum an dad into lover paid roles. lots of people never leave their home town (even if they go away to university). An so they don't adapt and take all that life offers because they are happy with what they have / fear loosing it / don't see another option etc.

So with that sort of risk aversion in mind is it a wonder people get married in 20s have kids divorce never remarry. Many people do not want a challenge, I have worked with people who openly admit their goal is to do as little as possible.

What you see as interesting some might seem as overwhelming

If that is a true reflection of a significant portion of the population then we as have nation have failed dismally to nurture an open and progressive society.

it helps to explain why some fear and resent the changes that immigration brings.

[Pan Pan Pan]

gregs656 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So procreation is something I have made up is it?
I don't even want your life to fit into any sort of framework I could dream up. It just seems you have bought into the PBD hook line and sinker, and believe that everyone should do the same as you, in an attempt to justify your life choices. Sorry, but that doesn't work for everyone else so you will just have to learn to live with the fact that not everyone wants to think and live the same way you do.

The 'Prime Biological Directive' is something you have made up. It doesn't exist.

I have not suggested, at all, that I think anyone should do the same as me. Where have I suggested that? You are the one who is claiming we are all programmed.

I think you need to go away and read up on procreation, and what drives it, Then come back and give your interpretation.

[Nickgnome]

Pan Pan Pan said:

gregs656 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So procreation is something I have made up is it?
I don't even want your life to fit into any sort of framework I could dream up. It just seems you have bought into the PBD hook line and sinker, and believe that everyone should do the same as you, in an attempt to justify your life choices. Sorry, but that doesn't work for everyone else so you will just have to learn to live with the fact that not everyone wants to think and live the same way you do.

The 'Prime Biological Directive' is something you have made up. It doesn't exist.

I have not suggested, at all, that I think anyone should do the same as me. Where have I suggested that? You are the one who is claiming we are all programmed.

I think you need to go away and read up on procreation, and what drives it, Then come back and give your interpretation.

I would suggest that your so called PBD is to survive.

i would also suggest if our prime driver were to have been procreation then contraception, sterilisation, abortion etc. would hardly exist if at all.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Nickgnome said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

gregs656 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

So procreation is something I have made up is it?
I don't even want your life to fit into any sort of framework I could dream up. It just seems you have bought into the PBD hook line and sinker, and believe that everyone should do the same as you, in an attempt to justify your life choices. Sorry, but that doesn't work for everyone else so you will just have to learn to live with the fact that not everyone wants to think and live the same way you do.

The 'Prime Biological Directive' is something you have made up. It doesn't exist.

I have not suggested, at all, that I think anyone should do the same as me. Where have I suggested that? You are the one who is claiming we are all programmed.

I think you need to go away and read up on procreation, and what drives it, Then come back and give your interpretation.

I would suggest that your so called PBD is to survive.

i would also suggest if our prime driver were to have been procreation then contraception, sterilisation, abortion etc. would hardly exist if at all.

Perhaps you might explain why in desperately poor countries, which offer at best, a bleak, flyblown, permanently hunger, and disease stricken prospect less existence, that people still bring thousands of children into the world. It cannot be for survival, because the more mouths that need to be fed, the less the chance of survival for those who are already existent. What is it that drives people in those situations to do what they do? Having children without regard to what happens to them once they are here, does not necessarily guarantee survival, if anything the opposite..
Incidentally it is precisely because of the PBD, that contraception, sterilization and abortion has all come about.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 18th November 17:25

[otolith]

The things which appear to reduce the birthrate are -

the ability to choose to have sex without getting pregnant

the security of knowing that enough of your children will survive to adulthood to provide for you when you get too old to do it for yourself

the ability of women to have choices in life beyond being barefoot and pregnant

[Dont like rolls]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Don't worry, when you grow up the penny will drop, and you will finally understand,
I sincerely hope that for you, the day of your enlightenment doesn't come too late Until then it looks like you have swallowed the programming hook, line, and sinker. If you are happy with that, then fine, everyone has the right to live life the way they see fit, and want to.

jhc, how far up yourself are you ?

Can you see the sun ?

[Pan Pan Pan]

otolith said:

The things which appear to reduce the birthrate are -

the ability to choose to have sex without getting pregnant

the security of knowing that enough of your children will survive to adulthood to provide for you when you get too old to do it for yourself

the ability of women to have choices in life beyond being barefoot and pregnant

Yet despite these, even in this so called civilized country, we still have feckless `Youf' producing babies from numerous mothers. And some not even `youfs' Ken Livingstone possibly even the current pm are alledged to have produced a number of children with several different mothers, (Wonder what their directive was?)
In categorically and absolutely in no way, shape, or form would the thought of bringing children into the world to look after me when I am old, form any part of the reason to bring a child into the world.
But women having choices beyond just being barefoot, and pregnant would be an absolute must in my book.

[Donbot]

otolith said:

The things which appear to reduce the birthrate are -

the ability to choose to have sex without getting pregnant

the security of knowing that enough of your children will survive to adulthood to provide for you when you get too old to do it for yourself

the ability of women to have choices in life beyond being barefoot and pregnant

not being able to put your kids to work as soon as they are physically able.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Donbot said:

otolith said:

The things which appear to reduce the birthrate are -

the ability to choose to have sex without getting pregnant

the security of knowing that enough of your children will survive to adulthood to provide for you when you get too old to do it for yourself

the ability of women to have choices in life beyond being barefoot and pregnant

not being able to put your kids to work as soon as they are physically able.

Yep! those chimneys wont sweep themselves you know

[Nickgnome]

Perhaps you might explain why in desperately poor countries, which offer at best, a bleak, flyblown, permanently hunger, and disease stricken prospect less existence, that people still bring thousands of children into the world. It cannot be for survival, because the more mouths that need to be fed, the less the chance of survival for those who are already existent. What is it that drives people in those situations to do what they do? Having children without regard to what happens to them once they are here, does not necessarily guarantee survival, if anything the opposite..
Incidentally it is precisely because of the PBD, that contraception, sterilization and abortion has all come about.


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Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 18th November 17:25

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People in poor countries have no or very limited access to contraception.

When they do the birth rates drops dramatically.

Just because you chose a life of being single does not mean that those that like to be in relationships have an uncontrollable desire to procreate. Our birth rate evidences this quite well.

That is not remotely similar to having an enthusiastic sexual appetite at any age.

[Gecko1978]

Nickgnome said:

If that is a true reflection of a significant portion of the population then we as have nation have failed dismally to nurture an open and progressive society.

it helps to explain why some fear and resent the changes that immigration brings.

I have no stats to back this up it was presented as a possible reason but to add colour to it I grew up in St Albans its about as middle class as it gets, I would say 50% plus of my peers from school in the 90s never moved on or if they did it was north to cheaper places to live. People accept the familiarity of home above most things it seems. So while many join a sports club, travel, cast out on their own for a new job many don't. An so when life presents a challenge they end up alone.

I am not saying this is good or bad but more observing people might choose to live alone due to risk aversion.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Nickgnome said:

Perhaps you might explain why in desperately poor countries, which offer at best, a bleak, flyblown, permanently hunger, and disease stricken prospect less existence, that people still bring thousands of children into the world. It cannot be for survival, because the more mouths that need to be fed, the less the chance of survival for those who are already existent. What is it that drives people in those situations to do what they do? Having children without regard to what happens to them once they are here, does not necessarily guarantee survival, if anything the opposite..
Incidentally it is precisely because of the PBD, that contraception, sterilization and abortion has all come about.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 18th November 17:25

People in poor countries have no or very limited access to contraception.

When they do the birth rates drops dramatically.

Just because you chose a life of being single does not mean that those that like to be in relationships have an uncontrollable desire to procreate. Our birth rate evidences this quite well.

That is not remotely similar to having an enthusiastic sexual appetite at any age.

Even if people in those countries don't have access to contraception, are you suggesting they do not actually know what they are doing when they have sex/children?
What explains their doing this, when most must know the chances of survival for their children are at best limited, and at worst limit the chances of their own survival are seriously reduced.
What drives them to have children in these circumstances, do you believe it is rational thought, or perhaps is something much more powerful, and basic at work?

[Nickgnome]

Gecko1978 said:

Nickgnome said:

If that is a true reflection of a significant portion of the population then we as have nation have failed dismally to nurture an open and progressive society.

it helps to explain why some fear and resent the changes that immigration brings.

I have no stats to back this up it was presented as a possible reason but to add colour to it I grew up in St Albans its about as middle class as it gets, I would say 50% plus of my peers from school in the 90s never moved on or if they did it was north to cheaper places to live. People accept the familiarity of home above most things it seems. So while many join a sports club, travel, cast out on their own for a new job many don't. An so when life presents a challenge they end up alone.

I am not saying this is good or bad but more observing people might choose to live alone due to risk aversion.

Thank you, an interesting observation.

I know St Albans quite well, worked for a company then called a Oscar Faber back in the early 80s.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Nickgnome said:

Perhaps you might explain why in desperately poor countries, which offer at best, a bleak, flyblown, permanently hunger, and disease stricken prospect less existence, that people still bring thousands of children into the world. It cannot be for survival, because the more mouths that need to be fed, the less the chance of survival for those who are already existent. What is it that drives people in those situations to do what they do? Having children without regard to what happens to them once they are here, does not necessarily guarantee survival, if anything the opposite..
Incidentally it is precisely because of the PBD, that contraception, sterilization and abortion has all come about.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 18th November 17:25

People in poor countries have no or very limited access to contraception.

When they do the birth rates drops dramatically.

Just because you chose a life of being single does not mean that those that like to be in relationships have an uncontrollable desire to procreate. Our birth rate evidences this quite well.

That is not remotely similar to having an enthusiastic sexual appetite at any age.

What causes that enthusiastic sexual appetite at any age?

[Nickgnome]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Nickgnome said:

Perhaps you might explain why in desperately poor countries, which offer at best, a bleak, flyblown, permanently hunger, and disease stricken prospect less existence, that people still bring thousands of children into the world. It cannot be for survival, because the more mouths that need to be fed, the less the chance of survival for those who are already existent. What is it that drives people in those situations to do what they do? Having children without regard to what happens to them once they are here, does not necessarily guarantee survival

Even if people in those countries don't have access to contraception, are you suggesting they do not actually know what they are doing when they have sex/children?
What explains their doing this, when most must know the chances of survival for their children are at best limited, and at worst limit the chances of their own survival are seriously reduced.
What drives them to have children in these circumstances, do you believe it is rational thought, or perhaps is something much more powerful, and basic at work?

When the women have been interviewed in those poor countries they have stated they do not want big families. It can’t be much more straightforward than that. Contraception and birth rate falls.

I’ve no idea why you want to see it differently. If it wasn’t for religious pressures and immigration the UK would have a major age demographic problem.

Edited by Nickgnome on Monday 18th November 18:08

[Cold]

You'll never be lonely or alone inside PH. There will always be someone who will argue with you about something utterly inconsequential and irrelevant.


(First person to say "No there isn't" gets to live with Greta's parents)