Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Mobile Chicane said:
2015 Tory majority 7000 2017 Tory majority 10000 (high 9s)
We'll see if he's blown it for 2019 on the 13th.
smn159 said:
jsf said:
smn159 said:
If he feels that he can't articulate his position in a TV interview without risking looking like an idiot, how on earth is he going to fare against other world leaders? How is he going to negotiate with the EU?
No-one is going to take him seriously
What a farce.
And yet they took him seriously enough to do what they said was impossible and reopened the WA. No-one is going to take him seriously
What a farce.
smn159 said:
Mobile Chicane said:
chemistry said:
Crafty_ said:
I don't see why we should vote Tories & Boris in just because their main opposition is a pile of s
te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.
I’m not saying you should or shouldn’t vote for Boris and the Tories. I’m saying everyone should vote to keep Corbyn out of power. Whilst your local Labour candidate might well be a decent person, if elected they will put Corbyn closer to power, and he’s definitely not a decent person.te. I'm half tempted to vote for the Labour candidate here based on local issues which he has form for working, compared to the incumbent tory who does feck all and is defending a 30 or so vote majority.Ultimately I think voting for Corbyn because Boris isn’t palatable is like saying you’d like to be shot in the guts and allowed to bleed to death because you don’t fancy being punched in the face. Both are unpleasant prospects to have to choose between, but one is much worse than the other...
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
To all those people who say "I would vote Labour apart from that Jeremy Corbyn" it's like refusing a life-saving operation because you don't like the surgeon performing it.
Total economic fairyland.
jsf said:
Wrong, he put it before Parliament and they voted for it in the first stage, something May failed to achieve, in fact she broke all records in how many MP's voted down a bill with her attempt. Immediately after voting for the Johnson WA, the sitting MP's refused to vote for a timetable to take it forward. That brought us to where we are now, with an election within a week to break that deadlock.
The MP's where quite happy to vote for a timetable. Just a sensible timetable not 4 days. BJ agreed to meet JC to agree a time table and at the meeting never proposed any timetable just pulled the bill. Mobile Chicane said:
Depending on your source will determine whether Johnson bottled it or not.Other sources suggest the Police advised that the speech was cancelled because of security concerns, other sources suggest a problem with logistics.
Given Johnson didn't have any problems in Maidstone earlier in the day it's anyone's guess what the real truth is (I suspect the Independent being nothing of the sort can't be trusted) not that the real truth matters anymore, Channel 4 being an example!
don'tbesilly said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Depending on your source will determine whether Johnson bottled it or not.Other sources suggest the Police advised that the speech was cancelled because of security concerns, other sources suggest a problem with logistics.
Given Johnson didn't have any problems in Maidstone earlier in the day it's anyone's guess what the real truth is (I suspect the Independent being nothing of the sort can't be trusted) not that the real truth matters anymore, Channel 4 being an example!
Senior UK Brexit diplomat in the US has thrown in the towel, fed up of peddling half truths and not playing straight with the public.
Wonder what the particulars are.
CNN have snippets of the letter. Don't know the provenance, no one is confirming or denying it but it is early.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/top-british-...
Wonder what the particulars are.
CNN have snippets of the letter. Don't know the provenance, no one is confirming or denying it but it is early.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/top-british-...
Zirconia said:
Senior UK Brexit diplomat in the US has thrown in the towel, fed up of peddling half truths and not playing straight with the public.
Wonder what the particulars are.
CNN have snippets of the letter. Don't know the provenance, no one is confirming or denying it but it is early.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/top-british-...
The timing and undiplomatic language strongly suggest political motivation rather than just career dissatisfaction.Wonder what the particulars are.
CNN have snippets of the letter. Don't know the provenance, no one is confirming or denying it but it is early.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/top-british-...
don'tbesilly said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Depending on your source will determine whether Johnson bottled it or not.Other sources suggest the Police advised that the speech was cancelled because of security concerns, other sources suggest a problem with logistics.
Given Johnson didn't have any problems in Maidstone earlier in the day it's anyone's guess what the real truth is (I suspect the Independent being nothing of the sort can't be trusted) not that the real truth matters anymore, Channel 4 being an example!
JagLover said:
The Tories wont want to have an event with protestors with banners present because the news media/social media will run with it and they will be giving free publicity to Labour. Campaigning has to be very focused and on message otherwise it is counter-productive.
So he did bottle it to avoid looking bad?Funny as I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt over security concerns.
Mobile Chicane said:
Corbyn is still going to lose, it's just a matter of how badly 
Mobile Chicane said:
I disagree.
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
To all those people who say "I would vote Labour apart from that Jeremy Corbyn" it's like refusing a life-saving operation because you don't like the surgeon performing it.
Everyone wants what you list, the problem is policies and regimes that Corbyn and MacDonell propose never, ever produce that.I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
To all those people who say "I would vote Labour apart from that Jeremy Corbyn" it's like refusing a life-saving operation because you don't like the surgeon performing it.
They always fail and end in misery and death for the people living under such hideous circumstances those hateful people produce.
jsf said:
Everyone wants what you list, the problem is policies and regimes that Corbyn and MacDonell propose never, ever produce that.
They always fail and end in misery and death for the people living under such hideous circumstances those hateful people produce.
Now that's some excellent hyperbolic ranting worthy of a vote for Labour They always fail and end in misery and death for the people living under such hideous circumstances those hateful people produce.
smn159 said:
Completely agree. The hatred of Corbyn seems a series of assertions by the usual suspects to me. Investment in the economy vs a race to the bottom in terms of employment rights, environmental standards and public services seems a bit of a no-brainer.
I don't hate Corbyn and thought he came across far better than Boris did in the first TV debate.But vote him in to No. 10? christ no.
JagLover said:
The Tories wont want to have an event with protestors with banners present because the news media/social media will run with it and they will be giving free publicity to Labour. Campaigning has to be very focused and on message otherwise it is counter-productive.
The thing I can't work out is if (as tory supporters will tell you) Corbyn & Labour are so utterly awful and you must vote tory to keep them out, why are said supporters so utterly terrified of Johnson being let out in public ?The man is a liability and everyone knows it.
turbobloke said:
The timing and undiplomatic language strongly suggest political motivation rather than just career dissatisfaction.
Depends I suppose on it he one in the job and pressures we don’t know about.I expect the various news orgs are searching and gearing for praise or smear.
Zirconia said:
turbobloke said:
The timing and undiplomatic language strongly suggest political motivation rather than just career dissatisfaction.
Depends I suppose on it he one in the job and pressures we don’t know about.I expect the various news orgs are searching and gearing for praise or smear.
Mobile Chicane said:
I disagree.
I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
The economy won’t be invigorated because there won’t be investment in the meaningful sense of the word. Corbyn will certainly borrow billions to create a huge state infrastructure but business will suffer hugely. I know many private businesses (start ups & uni spin outs) that are expecting to close down if Corbyn is elected pm because they won’t be able to raise money from investors; they are right.I'm quite liking the idea of our economy being invigorated by investment. Happier, healther, better-educated people, and a cleaner environment to live in.
98elise said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Corbyn is still going to lose, it's just a matter of how badly 
I wish William Hague was leader of the Tories right now. He'd utterly walk it.
Instead you have someone incapable of taking advantage of the premier interview opportunity to impress, because he and his party know full well he's a fecking liability.
How can a prime minister be so utterly untrustworthy with the truth that he can't take advantage of a one on one interview with a neutral interviewer? Bananas.
Instead you have someone incapable of taking advantage of the premier interview opportunity to impress, because he and his party know full well he's a fecking liability.
How can a prime minister be so utterly untrustworthy with the truth that he can't take advantage of a one on one interview with a neutral interviewer? Bananas.
HoHoHo said:
98elise said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Corbyn is still going to lose, it's just a matter of how badly 
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