Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
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Breadvan72 said:
I am neither wealthy nor retired. I do not know why RNN thinks that I am either.
The always literal minded rightists are failing to see what Bevan was talking about. He was talking about the Tory appeal to people who are routinely harmed by Tory policies. Voting against self interest is a big factor in all elections.
As for self determination, the UK has always had and still has that. Brexiter myths on that subject remain mythical no matter how often they are repeated.
My point was that the 'wealthy' seeking to make use of the 'poor' exist in all parties. You're aiming it specifically at the Tories. Remember who was in coalition with the Tories recently, the lovely Lib Dems. They didn't stop 'nasty' policies and Jo Swinson has been pulled up on that so many times these last weeks. Remember who tends to bust the nation's finances; Labour. That screws things for the poorest because the next government has to cut public services to sort out the debt that we've been lumped with. The always literal minded rightists are failing to see what Bevan was talking about. He was talking about the Tory appeal to people who are routinely harmed by Tory policies. Voting against self interest is a big factor in all elections.
As for self determination, the UK has always had and still has that. Brexiter myths on that subject remain mythical no matter how often they are repeated.
Who's talking of seeking to mobilise 16 year-olds , who's pushing for EU nationals to get the vote, even if not permanently residing here? Who's talking of a 4 day week? That's the 'wealth' using the 'poor' to get what they want even if it means the poor are harmed in doing so.
Breadvan72 said:
Pathetic. No arguments, just weak insults. Listen to the latest Johnson blurb on migrants and tell me that is not thug politics.
Charming. I am unclear on what you mean by "the latest Johnson blurb", but I have just watched Boris's interview yesterday with Sky. At no point does he come across as a thug. I'm calling you out here BV - calling Boris Johnson a "thug" is a stupid and inflammatory thing to say.My learned friend should calm down and have a word with himself.
t barrister if that is trueBreadvan72 said:
You can always tell when the rightists here are feeling sheepish: they start with their feeble ad hom squeaking and shrieking. Arguments? Thought not.
Far from it BV old chap, some control on unskilled workers arriving in the UK as economic migrants is a good thing. It’s also a good thing for Labours core voters, which is why they are deserting JC’s happy band of anti Semitic Marxists that you are happy to support. If Labour are the solution to the issues Bevan was addressing then why after 12 years of. Labour government did we have military adventurism, a financial crisis, raids on private pension wealth, selling the Country’s gold bullion reserves for a song, and the largest debt and deficit in the public finances on record ?
I don’t remember the poor becoming wealthier under Blair/Brown. More people on low incomes were taken out of taxation under five years of Cameron/Clegg than under the left.
Brooking10 said:
Are you not doing what others repeatedly do and conflating a lack of trust in Boris with a vote of faith in Corbyn ?
No. I'm not talking about figureheads, I'm talking about general party policies and beliefs, the kind of thing that goes way beyond just the leader. There's a choice to make, whether you're thinking in terms of 'best' or 'least worse'! TheRealNoNeedy said:
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That’s a fair point but you are then asking the great unwashed to discern between trickle down economics and bottom up safety net. Brooking10 said:
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That’s a fair point but you are then asking the great unwashed to discern between trickle down economics and bottom up safety net. Brave Fart said:
Charming. I am unclear on what you mean by "the latest Johnson blurb", but I have just watched Boris's interview yesterday with Sky. At no point does he come across as a thug. I'm calling you out here BV - calling Boris Johnson a "thug" is a stupid and inflammatory thing to say.
My learned friend should calm down and have a word with himself.
Did he not get involved in a plot to have a journalist assaulted, I think that counts as thuggish behaviour My learned friend should calm down and have a word with himself.
citizensm1th said:
Did he not get involved in a plot to have a journalist assaulted, I think that counts as thuggish behaviour
Nope, as I recall he refused to comply with the request to pass on information to a thug.But I suspect you knew that.
Darious Guppy was the thug.
Edited by gooner1 on Monday 9th December 12:03
citizensm1th said:
gooner1 said:
Nope, as I recall he refused to comply with the request to pass on information to a thug.
But I suspect you knew that.
That is not what was reported in the press. And I think you know that. But I suspect you knew that.
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