Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
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Tuna said:
You do know the drink will all fall out if you keep it on its side like that?
Your sterling efforts as the self appointed moral guardian of this forum are remarkable.
Rest easy things seem to have righted themselves in-flight. Your sterling efforts as the self appointed moral guardian of this forum are remarkable.
I’m not sure why you think I’m trying to effect a change in anybody’s moral compass ?
Still it’s not as if it’s unlike you to jump on a bandwagon
We're in a situation where we do have 'sides'.
I want what I want and one 'side' agrees with me. The other 'side' want something that means I won't get what I want. There cannot be a meaningful compromise between leaving and remaining, other than purgatory, so one side must end up victorious in this 'game' to be able to move on with life.
Also, if you've spent your time mocking the character, livelihood, culture and social standing of your opponents on here (here's a cap, see it it fits) you must accept that those on the opposing side of the debate might derive a little bit of joy from putting your arguments, and you, back in your cage.
I want what I want and one 'side' agrees with me. The other 'side' want something that means I won't get what I want. There cannot be a meaningful compromise between leaving and remaining, other than purgatory, so one side must end up victorious in this 'game' to be able to move on with life.
Also, if you've spent your time mocking the character, livelihood, culture and social standing of your opponents on here (here's a cap, see it it fits) you must accept that those on the opposing side of the debate might derive a little bit of joy from putting your arguments, and you, back in your cage.
anonymous said:
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You are boiling it right down to Brexit again and frankly even that isn’t binary.The debate here, on this thread at least, seems to have polarised such that if you are anti-Boris you must be pro the other lot.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 9th December 14:36
Brooking10 said:
The debate here, on this thread at least, seems to have polarised such that if you are anti-Boris you must be pro the other lot.
Really? I think only a few make that assumption on the grounds of the coming election - that an attack on Mr B must therefore be in favour of one of the alternatives.However, I'm not really seeing that. Not many folks around here are trying to hype Labour, and the LibDems have so completely dropped the ball that we're not even seeing that many supporters for the Jo Swinson club - even though it's the obvious refuge for people who think Labour or Conservatives are now extremist parties.
Apart from the handful of trolls and hijacked account(s) we've seen, most commentary here is purely negative rather than an attack from the other side - people don't want Boris to win because he represents 'the bad guys' to them, or Corbyn to win because.. same thing really.
It's a lazy accusation to suggest that anti-Boris is automatically pro-Corbyn. But it's just as lazy to suggest that anyone not going along with the anti-Boris narrative is a 'loyalist' (a particularly amusing accusation from the guy you've been sticking up for recently).
AW111 said:
The people who go on about "sides" as if politics is a football game all seem to be right-wing / brexiteers.
Funny that.
I suppose cheering on the team is easier than thinking.
Not sure if I'm included in that; but for your information I voted Remain. I consider myself left of centre. And I'm sorry but it is about sides, isn't it?Funny that.
I suppose cheering on the team is easier than thinking.
Sides of the Brexit issue, which is binary.
Sides of the House Of Commons, physical sides quite literally.
Sides of Scottish independence and so on.
First past the post, winners and losers, the majority call the shots - of course it's about sides.
stitched said:
biggbn said:
For those who moan about the other lot of incompemetents magic money tree..
Johnson's '40 new hospitals' pledge costed at up to £24bn
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/b...
Articles also surfaced that he supported people who believed gay people should never be allowed to join the armed services.
The idea of, not gay but homosexual, gents being allowed into the armed forces has been around since about 1960, the theory propounded had nothing to do with sexual orientation but was about military effectiveness.Johnson's '40 new hospitals' pledge costed at up to £24bn
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/b...
Articles also surfaced that he supported people who believed gay people should never be allowed to join the armed services.
It was based on an early treatise in one of the Greek conflicts which showed that when a fellow soldier with whom you had a relationship was wounded, you were likely to protect him rather than pursuing the objective.
Rather than disapproval of relationships within unit, which I believe are still a no no for heterosexual couples, the military descended into intolerance of homosexuality.
Tuna said:
Really? I think only a few make that assumption on the grounds of the coming election - that an attack on Mr B must therefore be in favour of one of the alternatives.
However, I'm not really seeing that. Not many folks around here are trying to hype Labour, and the LibDems have so completely dropped the ball that we're not even seeing that many supporters for the Jo Swinson club - even though it's the obvious refuge for people who think Labour or Conservatives are now extremist parties.
Apart from the handful of trolls and hijacked account(s) we've seen, most commentary here is purely negative rather than an attack from the other side - people don't want Boris to win because he represents 'the bad guys' to them, or Corbyn to win because.. same thing really.
It's a lazy accusation to suggest that anti-Boris is automatically pro-Corbyn. But it's just as lazy to suggest that anyone not going along with the anti-Boris narrative is a 'loyalist' (a particularly amusing accusation from the guy you've been sticking up for recently).
Hey what can I say ? I enjoy BV’s efforts against the massed ranks. He puts up a good fight against assorted returning bannees, serial empty garagers with no interest in cars, fantasy supercar owners, middle management mediocrities, semi computer literate angry old men and the occasional genuinely bright individual.However, I'm not really seeing that. Not many folks around here are trying to hype Labour, and the LibDems have so completely dropped the ball that we're not even seeing that many supporters for the Jo Swinson club - even though it's the obvious refuge for people who think Labour or Conservatives are now extremist parties.
Apart from the handful of trolls and hijacked account(s) we've seen, most commentary here is purely negative rather than an attack from the other side - people don't want Boris to win because he represents 'the bad guys' to them, or Corbyn to win because.. same thing really.
It's a lazy accusation to suggest that anti-Boris is automatically pro-Corbyn. But it's just as lazy to suggest that anyone not going along with the anti-Boris narrative is a 'loyalist' (a particularly amusing accusation from the guy you've been sticking up for recently).
You are attempting to talk common sense but deep down you just don’t want to be associated with the loony fringe who you know as well as I do aren’t bright enough to see any shades of grey
ETA - flippancy aside I think you are over crediting certain posters if you think that subtlety of thought pervades.
Away from the confines of PH it’s clear that Boris and that clever Mr Cummings (and be in no doubt I do think he is very clever) know full well that basic, binary messaging is the way to reach the masses.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 9th December 15:13
Brooking10 said:
You are attempting to talk common sense but deep down you just don’t want to be associated with the loony fringe who you know as well as I do aren’t bright enough to see any shades of grey
Groucho Marx said:
I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member
I am, first and foremost, a contrarian.Brooking10 said:
ETA - flippancy aside I think you are over crediting certain posters if you think that subtlety of thought pervades.
It's more that the accusation of "trying to win for the other side" doesn't work when it seems nearly no-one wants to be associated with "the other side" right now. Outside of obsessives like Heli, very few people seem to be attacking Boris because they want Corbyn or Swinson to win. It doesn't require much subtlety of thought to see that there aren't many people on here cheering for "the enemy".That's a marked change of atmosphere to this time last year when the Peoples Vote, Blair, Miller, LibDems et al were being held up as being the "grown ups" in the debate. It's a failure of those groups that Boris' political approach is not being effectively opposed or challenged (and shouting "he's a liar" is not a challenge, it's a heckle).
vonuber said:
So no comment on photo gate then?
I've just watched this.https://twitter.com/joepike/status/120401859365618...
How utterly f
ked up.bhstewie said:
It’s appalling.hstewie said:Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
Brooking10 said:
It’s appalling.
Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
It isn't rocket science, it is as you say, PR and media management.Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
Why do we care about his PR and media management?
Brooking10 said:
anonymous said:
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You are boiling it right down to Brexit again and frankly even that isn’t binary.The debate here, on this thread at least, seems to have polarised such that if you are anti-Boris you must be pro the other lot.
Edited by Brooking10 on Monday 9th December 14:36
Brexit voters aren’t blind. Anything which resolved itself into a hung parliament, or god forbid a labour majority, kills Brexit stone dead.
The icing on the cake is that Corbyn is so manifestly unfit to be PM, with an economic manifesto literally written by a Marxist.
If things don’t get a little, y’know, binary I’m not entirely sure when they do?
vonuber said:
So no comment on photo gate then?
Boris played it badly. Not a good advert for caring Conservatism by any means.The use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
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