Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
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Brooking10 said:
It’s appalling.
Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
Quite.Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
You're the Prime Minister and a reporter tries to show you a photo of a four year old boy forced to sleep on the floor in A&E.
Do you:
a) look at the photo on the reporters mobile phone and say something Prime Ministerial
b) repeatedly refuse to look at the photo before taking the mobile phone from the reporter trying to show you the photo and putting it in your pocket until the reporter asks why you've done that at which point you take his phone out of of your pocket and look at the photo.
I didn't think I'd find myself saying this but that one's genuinely surprised me.
I always knew he was a liar and had no principles but that is just totally and utterly f
ked up on so many levels.Brooking10 said:
bhstewie said:
It’s appalling.hstewie said:Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
turbobloke said:
vonuber said:
So no comment on photo gate then?
Boris played it badly. Not a good advert for caring Conservatism by any means.The use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
Why did Jacks parents consent to give the bed he was already in ,while being give oxygen,
to another patient?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
Edited by gooner1 on Monday 9th December 16:02
turbobloke said:
vonuber said:
So no comment on photo gate then?
Boris played it badly. Not a good advert for caring Conservatism by any means.The use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
I will vote Tory this time, but I reserve the right to be critical of Boris. He totally mismanaged that situation with the interviewer trying to show Boris the child on the floor of A&E. I mean, why not look at it, say something like "yes that isn't acceptable, but I don't know the full facts, clearly something has gone wrong that shouldn't............".
I wonder if this will be like the "that bigoted woman" incident that cost Gordon Brown in 2010?
I wonder if this will be like the "that bigoted woman" incident that cost Gordon Brown in 2010?
gooner1 said:
Why did Jacks parents consent to give the bed he was ,already in ,while being give oxygen,
to another patient?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
quite-she had time to make his floor bed and take some snaps. Wouldn't a better place for him be on his mothers lap(sitting in a chair or were they all broken up for fire wood).to another patient?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
Sarah Williment said he was seen as soon as he arrived and given a bed and oxygen, but a few hours later the bed had to be given to another patient and Jack was left without one for more than four hours.
Boy slept on hospital floor due to lack of beds
His mother said she then made a makeshift bed for her son with coats and took the picture.
Edited by Burwood on Monday 9th December 16:09
turbobloke said:
Boris played it badly. Not a good advert for caring Conservatism by any means.
The use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
Am not sure where you are finding emotion in this debateThe use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
Nobody here is making claims about the boy’s situation and what it actually entailed.
What is clear, and a perfectly rational assessment, is that Boris handled this particular situation very poorly.
It’s irrelevant whether the situation was engineered, the picture a misrepresentation, of the lad did or didn’t give his bed to somebody else or indeed how ill he was and how long he stayed in hospital.
768 said:
It isn't rocket science, it is as you say, PR and media management.
Why do we care about his PR and media management?
Why do we care about his PR and media management?
You’re trying to be funny right ?
If PR and media management doesn’t matter we should hand that nice Mr Cummings his cards now.
It’s those disciplines which win or lose modern day elections.
gooner1 said:
Why did Jacks parents consent to give the bed he was already in ,while being give oxygen,
to another patient?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
It will be interesting to see where this goes... Hopefully it is not more staged 'Tories bad' bullsto another patient?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
Edited by gooner1 on Monday 9th December 16:02
t by momentum trying to divert from the paedophile supporting Socialist Organiser story... Brave Fart said:
I will vote Tory this time, but I reserve the right to be critical of Boris. He totally mismanaged that situation with the interviewer trying to show Boris the child on the floor of A&E. I mean, why not look at it, say something like "yes that isn't acceptable, but I don't know the full facts, clearly something has gone wrong that shouldn't............".
I wonder if this will be like the "that bigoted woman" incident that cost Gordon Brown in 2010?
He's nothing away from the control of others. He makes appalling mistakes when he's off the lead.I wonder if this will be like the "that bigoted woman" incident that cost Gordon Brown in 2010?
We saw this when he was foreign secretary. Now he's prime minister, are we to expect anything different? He's struggling. We don't see him in interview because his lack of ability and good sense will be exposed. In this case, he showed how poor he was.
Others have suggested the boy only had a cold and tonsillitis as if this somehow excuses the lack of bed or the lack of competence under questioning of Johnson. Some should get a grip.
Johnson is out of his depth. He's been out of his depth since he was a journalist.
People are voting for this buffoon. He will lead this country.
Vanden Saab said:
It will be interesting to see where this goes... Hopefully it is not more staged 'Tories bad' bullst by momentum trying to divert from the paedophile supporting Socialist Organiser story...
I'm not sure quite what you're on about with the last part, but are you suggesting Momentum staged a photo of a sick child and then got an ITV reporter to try to show it to the Prime Minister and the reporter made Boris react like that?t by momentum trying to divert from the paedophile supporting Socialist Organiser story... Seriously?
Brooking10 said:
It’s appalling.
Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
Ultimately he did do your second suggestion?Beyond amateur PR and media management.
More worryingly it is indicative of how he fails to manage real time pressure without his handlers and time and space to respond.
There were so many better answers from the straight bat of “of course I can’t comment on individual issues” through to “yes I agree that is a terrible situation and the plans we will put in place are designed to alleviate exactly this kind of unacceptable situation”.
It isn’t rocket science.
Should that have been the first thing he did? I'd like to think so. But it wasn't...the interview/clip was only 2mins long though and he fully answered as you note.
This is just another example of a reporter doing his damndest to corner an interviewee. Making the headline. Yes, Johnson should have been more in his toes. But I'm not sure any of the leaders would have been necessarily - and would think it equally "unfair" for them to have been picked up on specific individual cases too.
I'm too cynical to watch stuff like that and give much of a crap about it...seems like there are always multiple angles to this stuff and always feels like someone is trying to play us. Probably all concerned
deadslow said:
turbobloke said:
vonuber said:
So no comment on photo gate then?
Boris played it badly. Not a good advert for caring Conservatism by any means.The use of an image of a sick child for electioneering purposes is exploitative but only to be expected from Labour.
Are there any more details yet so we can add reason to the emotion?
Is the point raised below by another PHer included over at FactCheckUK or are the beeb lying?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50717606
BBC said:
he was seen as soon as he arrived and given a bed and oxygen
Did the parents consent to give the bed he was already in to another patient, or was it a hospital decision alone to turf the chlld out?The details matter for outsiders looking in wondering how it happened.
It's still dire from Boris in how he mismanaged offering a decent response to the ambush.
Real or manufactured, can anyone honestly say this reaction is befitting of the prime minister of one of the greatest nation's on our planet? Puerile schoolboy bullying as usual. It is as pathetic as it is indefensible. Can/will anyone, regardless of the colour of their rosette, mount a genuine defence for this isolated incident? Does it colour you view of this man? It has merely validated mine
[quote=Burwood]Completely contradicts the BBC report. Does not mention the bed until 13.5 hours later. Someone's not telling the truth. Nice little political plus ta the end. It doesn't excuse BJ reaction but smells of dirty tricks
Emotive electioneering, never would have guessed.
Agreed again ref Boris response.
Emotive electioneering, never would have guessed.
Agreed again ref Boris response.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Good to see we're on to the parents.
Sounds about right.
Are you suggesting we should just accept any thing we read and would you drag a sick child of yours out of their hospital bed, while they were being given oxygen,so it could be given to another patient?Sounds about right.
Come to think of it, you come across as the type who just might, and that ain't a compliment.
Edited by gooner1 on Monday 9th December 16:31
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