Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)

[biggbn]

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

[citizensm1th]

Vanden Saab said:

Which is a look squirrel would you prefer Labour taking donations from foreign countries or Labour paying for taxis for 'supporters' to go to the hospital and 'protest'

What all five of them who then got accused of assault, you are going to have to do better than that

One of them was even on a bycycle I love to see the taxi that would take five frothing commies and a bycycle

Edited by citizensm1th on Monday 9th December 18:23

[bitchstewie]

I wonder when Boris will realise that words have consequences.

Chipping Barnet Conservative chairman asked to stand down

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

What all five of them who then got accused of assault, you are going to have to do better than that

One of them was even on a bycycle I love to see the taxi that would take five frothing commies and a bycycle

Edited by citizensm1th on Monday 9th December 18:23

This is Leeds. 5 frothing commies and a bicycle is about as straightforward and unremarkable as things get for a cabbie here.

[Vanden Saab]

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

How about Corbyn being a patron of the Socialist organiser which supported PIE. The paedophile information exchange... Ancient history if it wasn't for one of those being defended by Corbyns rag and who was found guilty being allowed to join the Labour party after Corbyn became leader... Boris wrote a Novel you say..... a work of fiction... Bloody hell...

[Electro1980]

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

Yes, because of some Facebook memes about Labour and a lack of understanding of the different types of socialism. Don’t forget to look for reds under the bed!

[anonymous-user]

Electro1980 said:

.... a lack of understanding of the different types of socialism.

It's always the wrong type of socialism! Every time it fails and destroys the lives of millions. McDonnell calls himself a Marxist. We know what that is.

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

If you read the headline, then the passage from the book, you realise the article is cynical and misleading.

I suggest people read it for themselves and make their own minds up as to whether, in a work of fiction, suggesting that oligarchs in Russia controlled much of the media, and were often from Jewish descendency, would support he idea of islamic terrorists remaining in Guantanamo, is anti semetic.

There's nothing controversial in the fiction at all and trying to say otherwise is utterly desperate.

[biggbn]

Vanden Saab said:

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

How about Corbyn being a patron of the Socialist organiser which supported PIE. The paedophile information exchange... Ancient history if it wasn't for one of those being defended by Corbyns rag and who was found guilty being allowed to join the Labour party after Corbyn became leader... Boris wrote a Novel you say..... a work of fiction... Bloody hell...

At no point have I mentioned corbyn. My only posts recently with regards corbyn have been to highlight his ineptitude as a leader. Why do you always assume a binary existence of others? I have put this in a thread ABOUT Boris Johnson, if you are interested In posting ABOUT corbyn, why not do so in his thread? It's quite popular.

[biggbn]

janesmith1950 said:

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

If you read the headline, then the passage from the book, you realise the article is cynical and misleading.

I suggest people read it for themselves and make their own minds up as to whether, in a work of fiction, suggesting that oligarchs in Russia controlled much of the media, and were often from Jewish descendency, would support he idea of islamic terrorists remaining in Guantanamo, is anti semetic.

There's nothing controversial in the fiction at all and trying to say otherwise is utterly desperate.

Interesting. I'm sure the plot is fascinating. And of no relevance to my point. What about the language used? It is OK to describe kosovan Muslims as 'hook nosed' and use the descriptor half caste, and ' an Arab type thing'? I am more than prepared to listen of you believe this is OK.

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

Interesting. I'm sure the plot is fascinating. And of no relevance to my point.

Of course it isn't, you just read a headline that suits your agenda and immediately made your mind up. The truth or context is not important to you. I get that.

I'm unlikely to be voting for BJ this election, BTW.

[Crafty_]

I think its pretty interesting to go and read the earlier chapters of this thread from a couple of months ago, some were quite convinced of Boris's brilliance - "playing the long game" "he's got a masterplan up his sleeve" now being reduced to "but but Corbyn!".

The bloke is winging it from start to finish and doesn't give a crap about anything other than himself.

The entire situation is pathetic.

[biggbn]

janesmith1950 said:

biggbn said:

Interesting. I'm sure the plot is fascinating. And of no relevance to my point.

Of course it isn't, you just read a headline that suits your agenda and immediately made your mind up. The truth or context is not important to you. I get that.

I'm unlikely to be voting for BJ this election, BTW.

If I just read a headline, how do I know the content of the article? I would love to debate the use of language with you, I love language, it fascinates me. And please, enlighten me, what is it you think my agenda is? I have made comment on a thread dedicated to discussing Boris Johnson. I made a comment ABOUT Boris Johnson. My opinion of him as suitability as leader of this country may be at odds to yours, but isn't that the point of the thread?

Now, just to clarify, are you agreeing with me that the use of language like that is unacceptable? It is sufficiently recent to be classed as contemporary ( historicity is sometimes a genuine excuse for language) and it is lazy and stereotypical. The plot...now, that might be top notch, cracking. Hey, it might be a brilliant book. But...those examples are not acceptable. I often wonder why a man like Boris with such a decent intellect (everyone always says he got a 2.1, that classifies you as having a wonderful mind apparently. Interestingly, May only got a 2.1 also...in geography...and still couldn't find her way out of Europe) and huge vocabulary would CHOOSE to use words like that when a man of his talent could CHOOSE to use others?

[Vanden Saab]

biggbn said:

janesmith1950 said:

biggbn said:

Interesting. I'm sure the plot is fascinating. And of no relevance to my point.

Of course it isn't, you just read a headline that suits your agenda and immediately made your mind up. The truth or context is not important to you. I get that.

I'm unlikely to be voting for BJ this election, BTW.

If I just read a headline, how do I know the content of the article? I would love to debate the use of language with you, I love language, it fascinates me. And please, enlighten me, what is it you think my agenda is? I have made comment on a thread dedicated to discussing Boris Johnson. I made a comment ABOUT Boris Johnson. My opinion of him as suitability as leader of this country may be at odds to yours, but isn't that the point of the thread?

Now, just to clarify, are you agreeing with me that the use of language like that is unacceptable? It is sufficiently recent to be classed as contemporary ( historicity is sometimes a genuine excuse for language) and it is lazy and stereotypical. The plot...now, that might be top notch, cracking. Hey, it might be a brilliant book. But...those examples are not acceptable. I often wonder why a man like Boris with such a decent intellect (everyone always says he got a 2.1, that classifies you as having a wonderful mind apparently. Interestingly, May only got a 2.1 also...in geography...and still couldn't find her way out of Europe) and huge vocabulary would CHOOSE to use words like that when a man of his talent could CHOOSE to use others?

Was it unacceptable in 2004? Was there a huge fuss when it came out with the likes of yourself protesting about the language?

[anonymous-user]

Crafty_ said:

I think its pretty interesting to go and read the earlier chapters of this thread from a couple of months ago, some were quite convinced of Boris's brilliance - "playing the long game" "he's got a masterplan up his sleeve" now being reduced to "but but Corbyn!".

The bloke is winging it from start to finish and doesn't give a crap about anything other than himself.

The entire situation is pathetic.

That’s a pretty decent assessment in my book

That we are reduced to this type of politics is an embarrassment.

[biggbn]

Vanden Saab said:

Was it unacceptable in 2004? Was there a huge fuss when it came out with the likes of yourself protesting about the language?

I was completely unaware of this book until today. And yes, I would suggest that half caste, hook nosed, etc were all unacceptable in 2004. To be fair this may be about perspective, perhaps some of you think this is acceptable language? If so perhaps I am out of kilter?

Perhaps I would be better wording it like this. I find the use of deliberately inflammatory, controversial language by an intelligent man who should know better to be more offensive, and sad, than the language itself. Whilst I appreciate, but will never understand why, others may accept, even encourage the use of such language now, and in the recent past, I cannot and will not do so. As result of these feelings, but not solely because of them, I could never vote for such a person to be prime minister.

Is that better, I think it goes someway to answering your question?

Quick edit. In 2004 if I was aware of the book I probably wouldn't have given a shiny $hite because I was a bit of, oops, a complete aresehole in my younger days and probably used worse language. Essential difference, I am extremely embarrassed and apologetic about my previous persona, wheras the aforementioned shiny $hite is not proffered by the oaf Johnson who seems to consider his present and past physical and intellectual representation as the zenith of his evolution. We do make mistakes, and I am happy to give people a second chance, but Boris has no shame, no empathy, and is always unapologetic until it becames politically expedient to do so, or public pressure builds. You won't find much support for him in Liverpool.

Edited by biggbn on Monday 9th December 19:30

Edited by biggbn on Monday 9th December 19:48

[Randy Winkman]

fblm said:

Electro1980 said:

.... a lack of understanding of the different types of socialism.

It's always the wrong type of socialism! Every time it fails and destroys the lives of millions. McDonnell calls himself a Marxist. We know what that is.

Typical "all left wingers are the same" attitude. Life is a bit more complicated than that.

[pingu393]

EarlOfHazard said:

If in doubt

Cluckin' bell, look at that Coors. Has he been stitched up with an empty barrel?

[bodhi]

biggbn said:

Does he get a pass for this also, cos, well, corbyn..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bor...

More ill considered language, lazy stereotypes..but it's only a book. Written a long time ago. By our prime minister

Considering it is a work of fiction he wrote 15 years ago then yes. Yes he does. Using your imagination to create some unpleasant characters is a bit different from sharing a platform with them or laying wreaths at their funerals.

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

If I just read a headline, how do I know the content of the article? I would love to debate the use of language with you, I love language, it fascinates me. And please, enlighten me, what is it you think my agenda is? I have made comment on a thread dedicated to discussing Boris Johnson. I made a comment ABOUT Boris Johnson. My opinion of him as suitability as leader of this country may be at odds to yours, but isn't that the point of the thread?

Now, just to clarify, are you agreeing with me that the use of language like that is unacceptable? It is sufficiently recent to be classed as contemporary ( historicity is sometimes a genuine excuse for language) and it is lazy and stereotypical. The plot...now, that might be top notch, cracking. Hey, it might be a brilliant book. But...those examples are not acceptable. I often wonder why a man like Boris with such a decent intellect (everyone always says he got a 2.1, that classifies you as having a wonderful mind apparently. Interestingly, May only got a 2.1 also...in geography...and still couldn't find her way out of Europe) and huge vocabulary would CHOOSE to use words like that when a man of his talent could CHOOSE to use others?

Why do you assume my opinion of Boris Johnson for leader is different to yours?

As for the book, I don't think there's anything worth talking about. It's a work of fiction not a manifesto and anyone trying to use it for political capital is scraping the preverbial.