Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
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pingu393 said:
jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
The truth is the bit where a child, with suspected pneumonia, was expected to sit upright in a seat because the hospital couldn't provide him a bed.
How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
You are advised to sit upright if you have pneumonia or a respiratory problem. Lying down is not helpful, in fact its unhelpful. How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
I suspect the NHS staff put him in a chair, he told his mum that he was tired, and his mum put him on the floor.
I don't think we will find out the truth, and if we do, no-one will care.
jsf said:
You are advised to sit upright if you have pneumonia or a respiratory problem. Lying down is not helpful, in fact its unhelpful.
Seriously is this what we are breaking this down to?
A bloke with no kids proffering advice
about how parents should deal with their kids in order to deflect from the fact that his chosen political leader has proven to be an utter idiot ?
The quicker this farce of an election is concluded and we don’t have to listen to this type of b
ks the better.Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 10th December 23:56
Brooking10 said:
jsf said:
You are advised to sit upright if you have pneumonia or a respiratory problem. Lying down is not helpful, in fact its unhelpful.
Seriously is this what we are breaking this down to?
A bloke with no kids proffering advice
about how parents should deal with their kids in order to deflect from the fact that his chosen political leader has proven to be an utter idiot ?
The quicker this farce of an election is concluded and we don’t have to listen to this type of b
ks the better.Edited by Brooking10 on Tuesday 10th December 23:56
Evanivitch said:
The truth is the bit where a child, with suspected pneumonia, was expected to sit upright in a seat because the hospital couldn't provide him a bed.
How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
He was treated for tomcilitus I thought? Blue lighted for suspected pneumonia, treated straight away and his bed was taken for someone of higher priority. It is strange however to see him laying next to a bed in the photo, so clearly someone was in that bed? Or the bed was empty and in which case it gets a bit fishy. How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
It's a huge f
k up in the way bJ handled it, nothing new there, but the actual story is a bit of a non story if you ask me, which has been elevated to a hugely political ststorm purely because it's an election, the poster boy quite literally of the crisis or catastrophe that faces the NHS.It's a load of bulls
t, and this story would never had surfaced past a few local facebook networks if it wasnt a couple of days before polling day and the journalists were desperate for anything at all to work with.dazwalsh said:
He was treated for tomcilitus I thought? Blue lighted for suspected pneumonia, treated straight away and his bed was taken for someone of higher priority. It is strange however to see him laying next to a bed in the photo, so clearly someone was in that bed? Or the bed was empty and in which case it gets a bit fishy.
He wasn't next to a bed. The hospital have already confirmed in their statement that he was in a room that did not have a bed.pingu393 said:
I'd be really surprised if any NHS staff put him on the floor, especially with the fluid bags not elevated. If so, they need sacking.
I suspect the NHS staff put him in a chair, he told his mum that he was tired, and his mum put him on the floor.
I don't think we will find out the truth, and if we do, no-one will care.
Well for a start there isn't a fluid bag. It's quite clearly an oxygen mask.I suspect the NHS staff put him in a chair, he told his mum that he was tired, and his mum put him on the floor.
I don't think we will find out the truth, and if we do, no-one will care.
The hospital staff out him in a room without a bed. That's the limit of their direction in this.
jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
The truth is the bit where a child, with suspected pneumonia, was expected to sit upright in a seat because the hospital couldn't provide him a bed.
How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
You are advised to sit upright if you have pneumonia or a respiratory problem. Lying down is not helpful, in fact its unhelpful. How many people say they need to lie down when feeling ill? Is it that surprising he can be found lying down!?
Evanivitch said:
dazwalsh said:
He was treated for tomcilitus I thought? Blue lighted for suspected pneumonia, treated straight away and his bed was taken for someone of higher priority. It is strange however to see him laying next to a bed in the photo, so clearly someone was in that bed? Or the bed was empty and in which case it gets a bit fishy.
He wasn't next to a bed. The hospital have already confirmed in their statement that he was in a room that did not have a bed.Edited by janesmith1950 on Wednesday 11th December 07:17
Oh, just to add...
This is our local hospital, and in my experience, it's awful. It's in a city centre, so getting there and parking is atrocious. We've only been in relation to the kids, but it's always been something we think is serious (normally referred immediately by GP). The wait in A&E has been long, then shuffled upstairs to the children's assessment area only to go through another triage for another few hours. Nobody ever knows what the fk is going on and pretty much any action takes hours and hours.
The front line staff are generally pleasant (though not always).
Everyone talks about the NHS as a golden goose, a shining beacon. The reality is very different to the concept. It's actually a super inefficient franchise full of people who don't like being questioned and where wasting time and money is an art form.
My wife had a hernia operation, paid for by the NHS, but done by a local private hospital. The difference in efficiency was absolute night and day
But hey ho, criticising the NHS is seen as something akin to supporting murder and so nobody ever steps up and says the obvious.
This is our local hospital, and in my experience, it's awful. It's in a city centre, so getting there and parking is atrocious. We've only been in relation to the kids, but it's always been something we think is serious (normally referred immediately by GP). The wait in A&E has been long, then shuffled upstairs to the children's assessment area only to go through another triage for another few hours. Nobody ever knows what the f
k is going on and pretty much any action takes hours and hours.The front line staff are generally pleasant (though not always).
Everyone talks about the NHS as a golden goose, a shining beacon. The reality is very different to the concept. It's actually a super inefficient franchise full of people who don't like being questioned and where wasting time and money is an art form.
My wife had a hernia operation, paid for by the NHS, but done by a local private hospital. The difference in efficiency was absolute night and day
But hey ho, criticising the NHS is seen as something akin to supporting murder and so nobody ever steps up and says the obvious.
Edited by janesmith1950 on Wednesday 11th December 07:19
janesmith1950 said:
I'm not doubting you, however what do you believe the large item on casters is to the right of the photo? It's obviously later enough to justify horizontal casters, too. Might it be a bed, just before staff moved it? Or is it something else?
JFC, you're not doubting me, you're doubting the HOSPITAL.Leeds Chief Medical Officer said:
“We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family.
I can't believe the inability of people to use Google these days to verify information. I'm starting to believe that the best we can hope for, as a country, is a hung parliament, that the respective parties each bin off their leader and that someone vaguely human, vaguely humane and with at least half a brain is installed in each post.
At the moment, neither of the leaders are particularly electable. You'd have to overlook a LOT of sh*t and stupidity to claim they were.
At the moment, neither of the leaders are particularly electable. You'd have to overlook a LOT of sh*t and stupidity to claim they were.
Evanivitch said:
janesmith1950 said:
I'm not doubting you, however what do you believe the large item on casters is to the right of the photo? It's obviously later enough to justify horizontal casters, too. Might it be a bed, just before staff moved it? Or is it something else?
JFC, you're not doubting me, you're doubting the HOSPITAL.Leeds Chief Medical Officer said:
“We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family.
I can't believe the inability of people to use Google these days to verify information. I do note there is a photo, and in that photo there is a large item on casters.
What do you believe that item is?
janesmith1950 said:
I'm not doubting you, however what do you believe the large item on casters is to the right of the photo? It's obviously large enough to justify horizontal casters, too. Might it be a bed, just before staff moved it? Or is it something else?
Most things in a hospital room are on casters so they can be moved out of the way when the patient needs attention, it could be drawers, but as the hospital have said it was not a bed.Edited by janesmith1950 on Wednesday 11th December 07:17
greygoose said:
Most things in a hospital room are on casters so they can be moved out of the way when the patient needs attention, it could be drawers, but as the hospital have said it was not a bed.
I think the point is that only the big stuff has the horizontal casters as seen in the photo. Thats typical of beds and similar, not of drawers or monitor stands etcgreygoose said:
Most things in a hospital room are on casters so they can be moved out of the way when the patient needs attention, it could be drawers, but as the hospital have said it was not a bed.
I've no idea whether it's a bed or not. I believe the hospital. I'm just nosy and wonder what on earth it is.Of course, putting the child on the floor was in itself a nasty stunt.
robemcdonald said:
You have to come to the conclusion that people who choose to believe the picture is a fake (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) are basically conspiracy theorists.
No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.
I suppose the devil is in the details. On one extreme you have the claims that the boy had to be treated on the floor. This paints a particular picture. However, the reality is that he did have a bed when it was suspected that he had pneumonia. When it was clear that he actually had flu his bed was offered to someone else, and the boy was put on a chair with his mum. Now, i am not defending this, but it does paint a rather different picture. It was his own mum who put him on the floor. Again, i am not criticising the mum, - she is presumably not medically trained so would be unlikely to know better, but this detail also paints a different picture to the hysterical ' boy with pneumonia treated on hospital floor " narrative that some are trying to push. No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.
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