Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)

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fblm said:

What do Kinnock, Smith, Beckett, Blair, Brown, Harman and Miliband have in common? Not one of them gave Corbyn a single position of responsibility within the Labour party either in government or in opposition. His own party has found no use for him in nearly 40 years! He's a feeble minded, bitter old pound shop Marxist and possibly the least convincing person in living memory to get anywhere near becoming PM. Johnson might also be an embarrassment but he's very unlikely to deliberately destroy the economy.

It's worse than that for our Jezza. He's been a loyal Moscow supporter since the Brezhnev days, and if you take Labour supporters' claims about Russian meddling at face value, even the Russians don't want him in No.10.

[andymadmak]

Just to add, none of the detail of the story changes how badly Boris handled the interview with Joe Pike. A PM should be able to take stunts like Mr Pike's in his/her stride (other genders are available) and its not good that he struggled so badly.
But even here, trying to conflate his reaction with it somehow indicating that he has no empathy for the situation is a bit of a stretch.

[richie99]

fblm said:

What do Kinnock, Smith, Beckett, Blair, Brown, Harman and Miliband have in common? Not one of them gave Corbyn a single position of responsibility within the Labour party either in government or in opposition. His own party has found no use for him in nearly 40 years! He's a feeble minded, bitter old pound shop Marxist and possibly the least convincing person in living memory to get anywhere near becoming PM. Johnson might also be an embarrassment but he's very unlikely to deliberately destroy the economy.

This is exactly why I will be voting Conservative even though they are a shower. I think you could say that Johnson won't deliberately destroy the economy, If he does, it will be a mistake. You can't say that about Labour.

[Jockman]

andymadmak said:

I suppose the devil is in the details. On one extreme you have the claims that the boy had to be treated on the floor. This paints a particular picture. However, the reality is that he did have a bed when it was suspected that he had pneumonia. When it was clear that he actually had flu his bed was offered to someone else, and the boy was put on a chair with his mum. Now, i am not defending this, but it does paint a rather different picture. It was his own mum who put him on the floor. Again, i am not criticising the mum, - she is presumably not medically trained so would be unlikely to know better, but this detail also paints a different picture to the hysterical ' boy with pneumonia treated on hospital floor " narrative that some are trying to push.

I trust the Mirror as much as I trust the Mail with fact checking. This ultimately cost Piers Morgan his job a few years back.

Drop the Dead Donkey was ahead of its time. Trying to squeeze a teddy bear into a disaster photo shot. Pure gold for social media and tabloids.

[Zirconia]

Don't know why the lad on the floor is still a thing, I am sure the PH has the ability to track down the coasters and identify the object. Many things have wheels, filing cabinets, drug dispensaries, phones, etc. The issue is the spin machine that Team Boris unleashed to rubbish this and who bought into it and who extended it. Bodes well for future truthful open and transparent government eh?

Boris seems to have a good team covering his back on this. It deflected from the deaths attributed to waiting on trollies that came out yesterday. Facebook has "lost" the info on political ads meaning no scrutiny to what Boris has spent. All in all a good few days spin for Boris.

Now it will be more of the same for five years, lobby rules are defiantly broken, Boris will probably not do any serious sit down interviews. Pretty much anything he says is toxic until it sees the light of day.

Edit. I notice spell check picked out definitely and did defiantly. I was going to correct it but it does sit better with the deliberate manipulation of the press.

Edited by Zirconia on Wednesday 11th December 08:05

[Evanivitch]

janesmith1950 said:

Evanivitch said:

janesmith1950 said:

I'm not doubting you, however what do you believe the large item on casters is to the right of the photo? It's obviously later enough to justify horizontal casters, too. Might it be a bed, just before staff moved it? Or is it something else?

JFC, you're not doubting me, you're doubting the HOSPITAL.

Leeds Chief Medical Officer said:

“We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family.

I can't believe the inability of people to use Google these days to verify information.

I said I am not doubting you, is that clear enough?

I do note there is a photo, and in that photo there is a large item on casters.

What do you believe that item is?

Why do you care? Apart from subversively hoping it's a Chaise Longue so that you can accuse the hospital of being part of a liberal agenda, what more do you need to know other than it Is not a bed?

[anonymous-user]

Evanivitch said:

Why do you care? Apart from subversively hoping it's a Chaise Longue so that you can accuse the hospital of being part of a liberal agenda, what more do you need to know other than it Is not a bed?

Why are you struggling to understand that I don't believe it's a conspiracy, I don't believe the hospital are lying, I'm just curious as to what the large item in the photograph, is?

[Evanivitch]

richie99 said:

This is exactly why I will be voting Conservative even though they are a shower. I think you could say that Johnson won't deliberately destroy the economy, If he does, it will be a mistake. You can't say that about Labour.

So an unpredictable idiot is a safer bet than a (potentially) idiot with a plan? And that pretty much sums up Corbyn's credibility issues.

[Murph7355]

Brooking10 said:

Seriously is this what we are breaking this down to
?

A bloke with no kids proffering advice
about how parents should deal with their kids in order to deflect from the fact that his chosen political leader has proven to be an utter idiot ?

The quicker this farce of an election is concluded and we don’t have to listen to this type of bks the better.

Edited by Brooking10 on Tuesday 10th December 23:56

You don't have to listen to this type of bks now. Never have

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

robemcdonald said:

You have to come to the conclusion that people who choose to believe the picture is a fake (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) are basically conspiracy theorists.
No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.

I suppose the devil is in the details. On one extreme you have the claims that the boy had to be treated on the floor. This paints a particular picture. However, the reality is that he did have a bed when it was suspected that he had pneumonia. When it was clear that he actually had flu his bed was offered to someone else, and the boy was put on a chair with his mum. Now, i am not defending this, but it does paint a rather different picture. It was his own mum who put him on the floor. Again, i am not criticising the mum, - she is presumably not medically trained so would be unlikely to know better, but this detail also paints a different picture to the hysterical ' boy with pneumonia treated on hospital floor " narrative that some are trying to push.

This.

We're not people who believe that it's simply a fake child on a fake pile of coats on a fake floor in a fake hospital. We understand the hospital had a shortage of beds. What we question is the nececessity to be on the floor and quite how that came about. Too quickly do those, that so easily accept everything the photo suggests, insinuate that those questioning it are denying any of the truth in the matter and are stupid.

I'm going to post a picture of a person lying dead, in a pool of blood, next to some polystyrene blocks and a JCB. I'll say Boris ran them over yesterday. Obviously the person will really be alive, the blood will be fake and the JCB will not be the one that Boris drove. That doesn't go to say Boris didn't drive through a polystyrene wall with a JCB though.

[bitchstewie]

robemcdonald said:

You have to come to the conclusion that people who choose to believe the picture is a fake (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) are basically conspiracy theorists.
No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.

Not even the hospital statement, acknowledgement, and apology apparently.

As Nick Ferrari said this morning, when the hospital are apologising for what happened that should be good enough to be the end of anyone questioning that aspect of the story.

[Derek Smith]

bhstewie said:

robemcdonald said:

You have to come to the conclusion that people who choose to believe the picture is a fake (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) are basically conspiracy theorists.
No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.

Not even the hospital statement, acknowledgement, and apology apparently.

As Nick Ferrari said this morning, when the hospital are apologising for what happened that should be good enough to be the end of anyone questioning that aspect of the story.

On top of that, it has nothing to do with Johnson getting in a panic, taking the phone from a journo, and not being able to deal with the matter. The thread has deteriorated into arguing about the boy and hospital. The thing is that Johnson blew it. He folded under no pressure whatsoever.

[Evanivitch]

andymadmak said:

However, the reality is that he did have a bed when it was suspected that he had pneumonia. When it was clear that he actually had flu his bed was offered to someone else, and the boy was put on a chair with his mum. Now, i am not defending this, but it does paint a rather different picture. It was his own mum who put him on the floor. Again, i am not criticising the mum, - she is presumably not medically trained so would be unlikely to know better, but this detail also paints a different picture to the hysterical ' boy with pneumonia treated on hospital floor " narrative that some are trying to push.

That's not "the reality". You're talking out of your arse and making up bollucks.

Leeds Chief Medical Officer said:

Within four hours a decision was made to admit Jack to our Children’s Assessment and Treatment (CAT) Unit for further monitoring overnight

Unfortunately, the unit was also experiencing exceptionally high levels of demand which meant that Jack was required to wait in the clinical treatment room in the Paediatric Emergency Department until a bed became available.

[biggbn]

janesmith1950 said:

Oh, just to add...

This is our local hospital, and in my experience, it's awful. It's in a city centre, so getting there and parking is atrocious. We've only been in relation to the kids, but it's always been something we think is serious (normally referred immediately by GP). The wait in A&E has been long, then shuffled upstairs to the children's assessment area only to go through another triage for another few hours. Nobody ever knows what the fk is going on and pretty much any action takes hours and hours.

The front line staff are generally pleasant (though not always).

Everyone talks about the NHS as a golden goose, a shining beacon. The reality is very different to the concept. It's actually a super inefficient franchise full of people who don't like being questioned and where wasting time and money is an art form.

My wife had a hernia operation, paid for by the NHS, but done by a local private hospital. The difference in efficiency was absolute night and day

But hey ho, criticising the NHS is seen as something akin to supporting murder and so nobody ever steps up and says the obvious.

Edited by janesmith1950 on Wednesday 11th December 07:19

Perhaps there is a variance in quality from hospital to hospital? I have been in ninewells, Dundee twice and been kept in several times, and cannot sing the praises of the staff and the care I have had highly enough.

[Zirconia]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I don't attribute stupid to this. It is clever, accounts were co opted, and/or hacked and fake ones used, people with certain leanings were a given they would parrot it, the system was used well really. The track through twitter has been seen and who repeated it, a few repeated the same claim as all their own work. All this to rubbish putting a phone in a pocket (though I suspect BoJo saw the phone was better than his and wanted it).

Some irony that the editor of one of the local papers that did fact check it has been blocked by a Telegraph reporter that fell for it. Saying that Peston and Kuenssberg also got taken for a ride big time by Tory head office and that bit is not realised as an issue by many.

[stitched]

Took my son into a&e when he was 5, busy day with all the Sunday sport injuries, he was running a really high temperature and the non emergency line had advised me to get him checked for meningitis. The triage nurse advised me that his symptoms did not indicate meningitis but thought he should see a doctor. He wasn’t fit to sit on a plastic chair and holding him seemed to raise his temperature so I nicked my mates coat, which with mine made the boy a fairly comfortable nest.
On the floor.
OMG.

[Cold]

It's some leap to conclude that the necessity to wait in a different part of the hospital meant that "NHS cuts" forced the child to sleep on coats due to no alternative being available.

[anonymous-user]

My wife was due to give birth at the same hospital as these events, however on the night she went into labour it was full and we were sent to another one.

Our first thought wasn't to contact the national press about how my wife and her exceptionally high blood pressure were hatefully disadvantaged by the evil government not running the NHS properly.

But then we're normal people.

[robemcdonald]

Yep I kinda misread that post. As you were.

[robemcdonald]

janesmith1950 said:

My wife was due to give birth at the same hospital as these events, however on the night she went into labour it was full and we were sent to another one.

Our first thought wasn't to contact the national press about how my wife and her exceptionally high blood pressure were hatefully disadvantaged by the evil government not running the NHS properly.

But then we're normal people.

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.