Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)

[ben5575]

Zirconia said:

anonymous said:

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I don't attribute stupid to this. It is clever, accounts were co opted, and/or hacked and fake ones used, people with certain leanings were a given they would parrot it, the system was used well really. The track through twitter has been seen and who repeated it, a few repeated the same claim as all their own work. All this to rubbish putting a phone in a pocket (though I suspect BoJo saw the phone was better than his and wanted it).

Exactly. Add to that stories issued from CCHQ about Labour taxiing 100's of supporters to the hospital to demonstrate and a political aid being punched in the face when he clearly wasn't and you have enough noise, enough fake news, to ensure that it is the sick kid and 'horizontal castors' that is being talked about.

Remember that fake news isn't necessarily about the veracity of a particular story, it is the placing of enough fake information out there so that people don't believe the truth or can't see the truth for the noise.

In 6 months time the story will be about how the public (and very senior journalists) were manipulated by a very skilfully and controlled use of social media. They could even use the last 15 pages of PH as evidence.

[Evanivitch]

robemcdonald said:

janesmith1950 said:

My wife was due to give birth at the same hospital as these events, however on the night she went into labour it was full and we were sent to another one.

Our first thought wasn't to contact the national press about how my wife and her exceptionally high blood pressure were hatefully disadvantaged by the evil government not running the NHS properly.

But then we're normal people.

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.

The irony is quite something, isn't it?

[Zirconia]

Newsnight last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000c61w/new...
6 minutes in. Discussing where the mis direct probably came from.

Watch the piece to the end and they cut to a small panel discussion, seems a few were woken up

[anonymous-user]

robemcdonald said:

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.

I'm telling a relevant anecdote on a political thread of a motoring forum about an incident that happened to me at the same hospital 7 years ago.

If you think that's the same as instantly sending pictures of my sad family to a national newspaper in the midst of an election...

[chrispmartha]

janesmith1950 said:

robemcdonald said:

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.

I'm telling a relevant anecdote on a political thread of a motoring forum about an incident that happened to me at the same hospital 7 years ago.

If you think that's the same as instantly sending pictures of my sad family to a national newspaper in the midst of an election...

Wasn't the story first put out by The Yorkshire Evening Post then the Mirror picked it up? is there any evidence she sent it instantly to the Mirror?

[robemcdonald]

janesmith1950 said:

robemcdonald said:

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.

I'm telling a relevant anecdote on a political thread of a motoring forum about an incident that happened to me at the same hospital 7 years ago.

If you think that's the same as instantly sending pictures of my sad family to a national newspaper in the midst of an election...

But you are bringing it up at the time of an election to make a political point. Exactly the same thing you are criticising her for. The best bit is that the mother’s motivation isn’t clear, but yours is.

[anonymous-user]

robemcdonald said:

But you are bringing it up at the time of an election to make a political point. Exactly the same thing you are criticising her for. The best bit is that the mother’s motivation isn’t clear, but yours is.

What do you think my motivation is (hint, it isn't to either support or denounce anyone political, they're all massive bellends who deserve no support whatsoever)?

Your attempt, to make my responding to the story analogous with the actions of the mother here, is irrational, much like the reporting of political events by everyone from activists to mainstream press over the past year.

[Alpinestars]

andymadmak said:

Just to add, none of the detail of the story changes how badly Boris handled the interview with Joe Pike. A PM should be able to take stunts like Mr Pike's in his/her stride (other genders are available) and its not good that he struggled so badly.
But even here, trying to conflate his reaction with it somehow indicating that he has no empathy for the situation is a bit of a stretch.

Didn’t he show a lack of empathy? That doesn’t equate to, he has no empathy, but let’s not get away from the fact he showed no/very little empathy.

This is the crux of the picture story, regardless of whether it was some sort of stunt or not. He didn’t know whether it was or wasn’t, and dealt with it very badly. That’s him in a nutshell. Can’t think on his feet, shows very little IQ, and is not at home unless repeating “get Brexit done”.

Great leader.

[anonymous-user]

Alpinestars said:

Didn’t he show a lack of empathy? That doesn’t equate to, he has no empathy, but let’s not get away from the fact he showed no/very little empathy.

This is the crux of the picture story, regardless of whether it was some sort of stunt or not. He didn’t know whether it was or wasn’t, and dealt with it very badly. That’s him in a nutshell. Can’t think on his feet, shows very little IQ, and is not at home unless repeating “get Brexit done”.

Great leader.

Add that to his questionable attitude to being truthful and you have a model, erm, politician. Not exactly a model human being, though.

[Alpinestars]

janesmith1950 said:

Add that to his questionable attitude to being truthful and you have a model, erm, politician. Not exactly a model human being, though.

This applies to most of them. My points don’t. He lacks EI - he’s unfit to lead.

[ChevyChase77]

janesmith1950 said:

My wife was due to give birth at the same hospital as these events, however on the night she went into labour it was full and we were sent to another one.

Happened to us under a Labour Government. (not the same hospital as you though)

[anonymous-user]

Anecdotes are very interesting but this is the reality of what has happened:





Labour fixed it, the Tories undid it.

Average nurse salary in the UK is £24,500 and the bursary for training has been removed so they have a small mountain of debt too. It's no wonder there are tens of thousands of vacancies.

[anonymous-user]

kuro68k said:

Anecdotes are very interesting but this is the reality of what has happened:



Labour fixed it, the Tories undid it.

Average nurse salary in the UK is £24,500 and the bursary for training has been removed so they have a small mountain of debt too. It's no wonder there are tens of thousands of vacancies.

There has since been an explosion in demand (obesity and related conditions such as diabetes, an ageing population and so on).

Simply looking at one dimensional statistics won't fix a problem. Nor is the answer easy.

The NHS has systemic issues that mean it's very difficult to flick a switch and make improvements. Adding cash into an inefficient machine is just a way of burning cash faster.

Do I really believe Labour and their health minister could have a positive impact on the NHS, or would they spend the whole time 'joshing'?

[pingu393]

robemcdonald said:

You have to come to the conclusion that people who choose to believe the picture is a fake (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) are basically conspiracy theorists.
No amount of facts, logic or evidence will persuade them otherwise.

Time to name and shame? Who do you think thinks the picture is fake?

The picture is real. The only issue is that it was the mother who put the child on the floor. Just like the father put his son in the boat.

Context is everything.

[smn159]

Derek Smith said:

The thing is that Johnson blew it. He folded under no pressure whatsoever.

He'll get us a glorious trade deal with the US though - won't he?

[Zirconia]

janesmith1950 said:

kuro68k said:

Anecdotes are very interesting but this is the reality of what has happened:



Labour fixed it, the Tories undid it.

Average nurse salary in the UK is £24,500 and the bursary for training has been removed so they have a small mountain of debt too. It's no wonder there are tens of thousands of vacancies.

There has since been an explosion in demand (obesity and related conditions such as diabetes, an ageing population and so on).

Simply looking at one dimensional statistics won't fix a problem. Nor is the answer easy.

The NHS has systemic issues that mean it's very difficult to flick a switch and make improvements. Adding cash into an inefficient machine is just a way of burning cash faster.

Do I really believe Labour and their health minister could have a positive impact on the NHS, or would they spend the whole time 'joshing'?

There was also this yesterday. Buried in the flak.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/10/th...

5449 deaths attributed to waiting on trollies in A+E.


Happening on the Tory watch already.

[mikal83]

robemcdonald said:

janesmith1950 said:

My wife was due to give birth at the same hospital as these events, however on the night she went into labour it was full and we were sent to another one.

Our first thought wasn't to contact the national press about how my wife and her exceptionally high blood pressure were hatefully disadvantaged by the evil government not running the NHS properly.

But then we're normal people.

Obviously you are mentioning it on a world wide media platform though.

Attack the poster, pure PH attitude!

[pingu393]

Alpinestars said:

Didn’t he show a lack of empathy? That doesn’t equate to, he has no empathy, but let’s not get away from the fact he showed no/very little empathy.

This is the crux of the picture story, regardless of whether it was some sort of stunt or not. He didn’t know whether it was or wasn’t, and dealt with it very badly. That’s him in a nutshell. Can’t think on his feet, shows very little IQ, and is not at home unless repeating “get Brexit done”.

Great leader.

First para is bang on.

[anonymous-user]

janesmith1950 said:

kuro68k said:

Anecdotes are very interesting but this is the reality of what has happened:



Labour fixed it, the Tories undid it.

Average nurse salary in the UK is £24,500 and the bursary for training has been removed so they have a small mountain of debt too. It's no wonder there are tens of thousands of vacancies.

There has since been an explosion in demand (obesity and related conditions such as diabetes, an ageing population and so on).

Simply looking at one dimensional statistics won't fix a problem. Nor is the answer easy.

The NHS has systemic issues that mean it's very difficult to flick a switch and make improvements. Adding cash into an inefficient machine is just a way of burning cash faster.

Do I really believe Labour and their health minister could have a positive impact on the NHS, or would they spend the whole time 'joshing'?

“There has since been an explosion in demand (obesity and related conditions such as diabetes, an ageing population and so on). ”

Since the conservatives took over?

[Jordan210]

I don’t get this constant labour voters banging on about tactical voting. If your a green/lib dem who doesn’t like labour why would you help them out.

It’s all very much do as I say.