Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
That was before the scale of the election win was known, and importantly before Boris's reaction to it.
As above, suddenly there are razor sharp insights into the future from Boris's naysayers? Not a chance.
Sorry can you just explain how this poll just before the election is inaccurate?As above, suddenly there are razor sharp insights into the future from Boris's naysayers? Not a chance.
After the scale of the election win and importantly Boris's reaction to it, future surveys are important not historical surveys.
El stovey said:
Well, I would start by looking at how popular Tony Blair was and remembering how that worked out.
I am looking forward to seeing what he does over the next 5 years. If he fecks it up or turns into a madman I will happily join the queue to kick him in the nuts, if he does a good job of things I will happily vote for him again.
Popularity of a politician is not a measure of how good or bad a job they will do in office.
In fact a demonstrably unpopular politician might want to do everything to show people they were wrong (might)
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Sunday 15th December 10:58
Brooking10 said:
What do you think Boris is going to do about S
horpe ?
It’s a potentially significant early stage test of how he is going to treat and appeal to that newly acquired demographic.
I suppose he could ask the experts this: "Is it possible to create a modern steel works on the site of the current one, powered by green energy from the nearby North Sea? The government could pay for it, because it is vital to the UK's national interest that we can make our own steel - we cannot rely on imports from China."horpe ?It’s a potentially significant early stage test of how he is going to treat and appeal to that newly acquired demographic.
Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Well, I would start by looking at how popular Tony Blair was and remembering how that worked out.
I am looking forward to seeing what he does over the next 5 years. If he fecks it up or turns into a madman I will happily join the queue to kick him in the nuts, if he does a good job of things I will happily vote for him again.
Same here. Might as well try and focus on the good things he might do now that he’s in charge and try not to focus on his less desirable qualities. I am looking forward to seeing what he does over the next 5 years. If he fecks it up or turns into a madman I will happily join the queue to kick him in the nuts, if he does a good job of things I will happily vote for him again.
For me I’m optimistic about his spending pledges and his constant repetition of being “a one nation Tory”. Seems he’s heading back to the middle ground and we’ll have another Blair, Cameron centrist PM. Early days yet though and we all know how flexible Boris is in his politics.
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
El stovey said:
turbobloke said:
That was before the scale of the election win was known, and importantly before Boris's reaction to it.
As above, suddenly there are razor sharp insights into the future from Boris's naysayers? Not a chance.
Sorry can you just explain how this poll just before the election is inaccurate?As above, suddenly there are razor sharp insights into the future from Boris's naysayers? Not a chance.
After the scale of the election win and importantly Boris's reaction to it, future surveys are important not historical surveys.
I pointed out how Boris's naysayers have acquired an unconvincing track record, and therefore are not particularly trustworthy regarding the future. This was pointing something out, no ornithology was involved carrion or otherwise. Also note that historical surveys are still historical.
El stovey said:
For me I’m optimistic about his spending pledges and his constant repetition of being “a one nation Tory”. Seems he’s heading back to the middle ground and we’ll have another Blair, Cameron centrist PM. Early days yet though and we all know how flexible Boris is in his politics.
Yes it is all a bit unknown unknowns regarding Boris as he does not seem to have any political beliefs that he sticks to through thick and thin.greygoose said:
El stovey said:
For me I’m optimistic about his spending pledges and his constant repetition of being “a one nation Tory”. Seems he’s heading back to the middle ground and we’ll have another Blair, Cameron centrist PM. Early days yet though and we all know how flexible Boris is in his politics.
Yes it is all a bit unknown unknowns regarding Boris as he does not seem to have any political beliefs that he sticks to through thick and thin.Will he stick to getting brexit done?
Brave Fart said:
I suppose he could ask the experts this: "Is it possible to create a modern steel works on the site of the current one, powered by green energy from the nearby North Sea? The government could pay for it, because it is vital to the UK's national interest that we can make our own steel - we cannot rely on imports from China."
Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
Do you remember when the UK government wanted to pick winners. I assure you it did not work.Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
It's fine saying BJ will repay his norther voters by reviving the region. That been tried by most government with little success. I am sure we will soon have a northern tsar and several quangos. So some people in the North will do better.
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Mrr T said:
Do you remember when the UK government wanted to pick winners. I assure you it did not work.
It's fine saying BJ will repay his norther voters by reviving the region. That been tried by most government with little success. I am sure we will soon have a northern tsar and several quangos. So some people in the North will do better.
Yes, sadly I am old enough to recall disasters such as British Leyland and the De Lorean car project. I certainly agree that governments don't make good business managers. But it must be possible for good ideas to be given a helping hand by government. You seem to have a rather pessimistic view - what would you do, if you were Boris? Apart from get a decent hair cut, of course.It's fine saying BJ will repay his norther voters by reviving the region. That been tried by most government with little success. I am sure we will soon have a northern tsar and several quangos. So some people in the North will do better.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
turbobloke said:
As in, not dogmatic, unlike marxists and slightly less dangerous forms of leftism?
I suspect more as in he will do what is best for his premiership.I expect he’ll run the country like he ran London as mayor. Pro business big spending on infrastructure and services. Plus some much needed investment in the north.
Not sure where all this money is coming from though?
He’s done a Tony Blair and marginalised the left (corbyns labour) and right (ERG and Farage) ends of the spectrum so can now finally carry out his one nation Tory soft brexit liberal agenda, finally free from the extremists on each side. Just the sort of centrist spending policies and agenda that Blair won with actually.
Looks like all the signs were there last election when Boris said.
“We are a compassionate one-nation Conservative party that cares about everybody in our country and I am genuinely more anxious than I have been before about what a Labour party that has gone right to the left in conjunction with the Scottish nationalists will do. If you are a moderate, sensible, one-nation, middle-of-the-road Blairite Guardian reader, please, please come out and vote for us.”
TheRealNoNeedy said:
How do we think Boris will deal with Sturgeon?
Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I think he’ll keep waffling but essentially saying no. Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
El stovey said:
I think he’ll keep waffling but essentially saying no.
I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
He’ll tell them to do one until at least Brexit is over. I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
Mrs Nesbit would be mad to have indy2 now anyway as voters won’t know the full Brexit picture.
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