Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
El stovey said:
He was mayor of London so knows all about keeping the city happy and where the U.K. makes it’s money.
I expect he’ll run the country like he ran London as mayor. Pro business big spending on infrastructure and services. Plus some much needed investment in the north.
Not sure where all this money is coming from though?
He’s done a Tony Blair and marginalised the left (corbyns labour) and right (ERG and Farage) ends of the spectrum so can now finally carry out his one nation Tory soft brexit liberal agenda, finally free from the extremists on each side. Just the sort of centrist spending policies and agenda that Blair won with actually.
Looks like all the signs were there last election when Boris said.
“We are a compassionate one-nation Conservative party that cares about everybody in our country and I am genuinely more anxious than I have been before about what a Labour party that has gone right to the left in conjunction with the Scottish nationalists will do. If you are a moderate, sensible, one-nation, middle-of-the-road Blairite Guardian reader, please, please come out and vote for us.”
He has done well there is no doubt about that. Very much helped by brexit and the Labour party leaders.I expect he’ll run the country like he ran London as mayor. Pro business big spending on infrastructure and services. Plus some much needed investment in the north.
Not sure where all this money is coming from though?
He’s done a Tony Blair and marginalised the left (corbyns labour) and right (ERG and Farage) ends of the spectrum so can now finally carry out his one nation Tory soft brexit liberal agenda, finally free from the extremists on each side. Just the sort of centrist spending policies and agenda that Blair won with actually.
Looks like all the signs were there last election when Boris said.
“We are a compassionate one-nation Conservative party that cares about everybody in our country and I am genuinely more anxious than I have been before about what a Labour party that has gone right to the left in conjunction with the Scottish nationalists will do. If you are a moderate, sensible, one-nation, middle-of-the-road Blairite Guardian reader, please, please come out and vote for us.”
But he still cannot be trusted in my book.
Brave Fart said:
Mrr T said:
Do you remember when the UK government wanted to pick winners. I assure you it did not work.
It's fine saying BJ will repay his norther voters by reviving the region. That been tried by most government with little success. I am sure we will soon have a northern tsar and several quangos. So some people in the North will do better.
Yes, sadly I am old enough to recall disasters such as British Leyland and the De Lorean car project. I certainly agree that governments don't make good business managers. But it must be possible for good ideas to be given a helping hand by government. You seem to have a rather pessimistic view - what would you do, if you were Boris? Apart from get a decent hair cut, of course.It's fine saying BJ will repay his norther voters by reviving the region. That been tried by most government with little success. I am sure we will soon have a northern tsar and several quangos. So some people in the North will do better.
The problem with ideas are what are good ideas and what are bad ideas. If we could all spot good ideas we would all be rich.
Governments have been trying for years with no real success, so I have no new ideas.
I would recommend BJ appoint a tsar and lots of quangos.
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
How do we think Boris will deal with Sturgeon?
Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I think he’ll keep waffling but essentially saying no. Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
I do also think that the leaders of the dissolved assemblies should be in the UK cabinet, I can't think of a good reason for that not to be the case
TheRealNoNeedy said:
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
How do we think Boris will deal with Sturgeon?
Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I think he’ll keep waffling but essentially saying no. Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
How do we think Boris will deal with Sturgeon?
Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I think he’ll keep waffling but essentially saying no. Will he try and repair the union and show her we can work together maybe with something like a cabinet position offered
Or just say "no not now" and have a potential Catalan situation
I wonder if he forced the SNP’s hand and gave them a referendum remain would win and shut them up for a while? I suppose it depends how brexit is going at the time.
But risky though like Cameron discovered with brexit.
It wasn't a good image having somebody sensible posting as me
In my completely uneducated in politics opinion.
Why does he not give huge tax breaks to company’s to move from London to further north? Not just big companies but any which want out.
Every time I go to London I think what a s
t place to live. It’s not a lack of affording it either as I have a family member offering me their spare flat in the center. Encourage people and companies to move away from it and they might stop being self hating shouting screaming children.
Things like finally getting the a9 dualled from Perth to Inverness would make a giant impact on people lives yet the snp have spent years and done maybe 10% of it. Do things which the locals have wanted even in the seats he didn’t win so they too move over in 5 years.
In regards to Scotland he should deny her everything, tell her to get on with a day job and make a law saying they can’t have a referendum till 2070. Once in a life time you know.
Why does he not give huge tax breaks to company’s to move from London to further north? Not just big companies but any which want out.
Every time I go to London I think what a s
t place to live. It’s not a lack of affording it either as I have a family member offering me their spare flat in the center. Encourage people and companies to move away from it and they might stop being self hating shouting screaming children.Things like finally getting the a9 dualled from Perth to Inverness would make a giant impact on people lives yet the snp have spent years and done maybe 10% of it. Do things which the locals have wanted even in the seats he didn’t win so they too move over in 5 years.
In regards to Scotland he should deny her everything, tell her to get on with a day job and make a law saying they can’t have a referendum till 2070. Once in a life time you know.
Slow said:
In regards to Scotland he should deny her everything, tell her to get on with a day job and make a law saying they can’t have a referendum till 2070. Once in a life time you know.
Well once in a generation at leastOne referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
JagLover said:
Slow said:
In regards to Scotland he should deny her everything, tell her to get on with a day job and make a law saying they can’t have a referendum till 2070. Once in a life time you know.
Well once in a generation at leastOne referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
NoNeed said:
JagLover said:
Slow said:
In regards to Scotland he should deny her everything, tell her to get on with a day job and make a law saying they can’t have a referendum till 2070. Once in a life time you know.
Well once in a generation at leastOne referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
Will never happen but someone needs to give the fish a slap and tell her to sort her s
t out. While she is in the job she doesn’t care about anything but making a name for herself by Scotland shouting “freeeeeedom” and remembering her in 100+ years.Before anything meaningful happens up here she needs to leave.
How you make her leave is the issue. While the rest of Scotland is split on what they want (look at Aberdeen area voting Tory still as they have well paying good jobs) 40% of the people are happy to keep giving her a vote for freeeeedom.
It’s tricky and I’m not quite sure what is Scottish powers and if the U.K. can just turn up and do things. As it stands it’s forever “we don’t get given enough money to do anything” despite spending more per person than anywhere else. Throwing money at the problem won’t help as the snp are very good at wasting it.
All most interesting. Whatever views are, there are a couple of undeniable changes. With such a large majority, at least some sort of stability is ensured so that Johnson can ignore twerps like Marc Francois and not be too bothered about the DUP either. I don't have much time for him as a person, but he is a skilled politician. I'm pretty sure he has the wit to see that he must retain the support of the new wave of northern MPs, presumably by coming good on at least some of the ideals and promises. I also hope that somewhere, without being overly triumphalist, he realises that he, or the Tories, will be the government for the next ten years at least and can take a longer view of what to do in the country instead of short term ideas for maximum political gain.
To this end also, whilst I am Scottish (with some English friends and relatives!) I also hope that Sturgeon sees that the Tories are here for the long haul and stops yarping about another referendum. She needs therefore to concentrate on developing Scotland's position within the UK - for which she has a clear mandate too - and do more for education and infrastructure, to name but two aspects.
Education is particularly disappointing given the latest statistics, but not that surprising as the most recent reforms were formulaic tosh, with far too much emphasis on gathering and sifting statistics, not to mention the armies of administrators and overseers whose only ambitions on becoming teachers were to leave the classroom asap. But that's another rant, for which I apologise!
To this end also, whilst I am Scottish (with some English friends and relatives!) I also hope that Sturgeon sees that the Tories are here for the long haul and stops yarping about another referendum. She needs therefore to concentrate on developing Scotland's position within the UK - for which she has a clear mandate too - and do more for education and infrastructure, to name but two aspects.
Education is particularly disappointing given the latest statistics, but not that surprising as the most recent reforms were formulaic tosh, with far too much emphasis on gathering and sifting statistics, not to mention the armies of administrators and overseers whose only ambitions on becoming teachers were to leave the classroom asap. But that's another rant, for which I apologise!
turbobloke said:
What Boris is going to do? Boris can answer for Boris.
He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
Nice deflection.He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
He’s facing a potentially huge test
The latest buyer is on the verge of pulling out (after several prior)
The blast furnace needs a minimum £200m refit
The plant and its immediate supply chain and wider local economy provides for some 30,000 plus people
A significant proportion of these are in newly won Tory seats
He has a very difficult choice ahead of him if the Chinese buyer pulls out namely:
1 find another buyer (likely to be the somewhat opaque Liberty group who one suspects will be less than stellar custodians)
2 let it go the wall in the name of free enterprise and immediately be seen as selling his new voters short
3 propping it up with a very large sum of taxpayer money (likely to be at least a hospital or two’s worth) and risk the ire of the shoutier end of the Tory party (inc many Phers one suspects).
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
Perseverant said:
Education is particularly disappointing given the latest statistics, but not that surprising as the most recent reforms were formulaic tosh, with far too much emphasis on gathering and sifting statistics, not to mention the armies of administrators and overseers whose only ambitions on becoming teachers were to leave the classroom asap. But that's another rant, for which I apologise!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50687875Scotland is currently investigating fraud in its Scottish Qualifications Authority. Education may be "free" here but its such a mess at the same time.
Brooking10 said:
turbobloke said:
What Boris is going to do? Boris can answer for Boris.
He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
Nice deflection.He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
Brooking10 said:
He’s facing a potentially huge test
Have I said otherwise?Brooking10 said:
The latest buyer is on the verge of pulling out (after several prior)
The blast furnace needs a minimum £200m refit
The plant and its immediate supply chain and wider local economy provides for some 30,000 plus people
A significant proportion of these are in newly won Tory seats
He has a very difficult choice ahead of him if the Chinese buyer pulls out namely:
1 find another buyer (likely to be the somewhat opaque Liberty group who one suspects will be less than stellar custodians)
2 let it go the wall in the name of free enterprise and immediately be seen as selling his new voters short
3 propping it up with a very large sum of taxpayer money (likely to be at least a hospital or two’s worth) and risk the ire of the shoutier end of the Tory party (inc many Phers one suspects).
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
How can Boris control what a buyer does or doesn't do when there are more factors in play? Business decisions are complex and political posturing is rife, look at Ghosn supposedly pulling Nissan out of the UK severfal years ago if we didn't join the Euro, what a surprise we stayed outside the EZ and it didn't happen.The blast furnace needs a minimum £200m refit
The plant and its immediate supply chain and wider local economy provides for some 30,000 plus people
A significant proportion of these are in newly won Tory seats
He has a very difficult choice ahead of him if the Chinese buyer pulls out namely:
1 find another buyer (likely to be the somewhat opaque Liberty group who one suspects will be less than stellar custodians)
2 let it go the wall in the name of free enterprise and immediately be seen as selling his new voters short
3 propping it up with a very large sum of taxpayer money (likely to be at least a hospital or two’s worth) and risk the ire of the shoutier end of the Tory party (inc many Phers one suspects).
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
I still have friends in Scunny, it could do with a boost as could Grimsby and the other northern Tory seats. Going back to the humberside area to see relatives and friends has been depressing for years including the Blair/Brown era and that needs to change.
Mrr T said:
You are forgetting British coal, British steel, BT etc etc.
The problem with ideas are what are good ideas and what are bad ideas. If we could all spot good ideas we would all be rich.
Governments have been trying for years with no real success, so I have no new ideas.
I would recommend BJ appoint a tsar and lots of quangos.
Absolutely agreed that governments are rubbish at picking winners - which is exactly the same argument why they shouldn't nationalise industries.The problem with ideas are what are good ideas and what are bad ideas. If we could all spot good ideas we would all be rich.
Governments have been trying for years with no real success, so I have no new ideas.
I would recommend BJ appoint a tsar and lots of quangos.
However, the current favoured alternative (quangos and talking shops like Innovate UK) is just as bad as it swiftly becomes an exercise in box ticking and busy work.
From a tech point of view, the reason why the US does better than us is that the structure (and mentality) is there for people to take financial risk. We hear of a few high profile failures, are completely unaware of the masses of 'also rans', but then wonder why we too don't have a Google, a Facebook or an Apple on our doorstep.
The current approach to innovation and risk taking in the UK is to put people through a long, paper-heavy process that is designed - from the outset - not to embarrass anyone, and to make sure they're "doing it right". If you look at how Tesla, Uber, Facebook, Twitter and all the others succeeded, our process would have "weeded them out" early and removed them from the race.
If we want to grow innovative businesses we have to:
* Unlock capital
* Allow (and encourage) people to take risks
* Ensure our workforce is mobile (able to move jobs and location with minimum hassle)
* Support education, research and academic collaboration
* Ensure running costs (both personal and corporate) are low for new businesses.
None of that involves tsars or quangos. It largely involves giving the likes of HMRC, the banks and local councils a slap and making sure their policies are not subject to 'mission creep'.
turbobloke said:
Brooking10 said:
turbobloke said:
What Boris is going to do? Boris can answer for Boris.
He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
Nice deflection.He definitely needs to keep the new northern passengers on board and has said he recognises this.
Brooking10 said:
He’s facing a potentially huge test
Have I said otherwise?Brooking10 said:
The latest buyer is on the verge of pulling out (after several prior)
The blast furnace needs a minimum £200m refit
The plant and its immediate supply chain and wider local economy provides for some 30,000 plus people
A significant proportion of these are in newly won Tory seats
He has a very difficult choice ahead of him if the Chinese buyer pulls out namely:
1 find another buyer (likely to be the somewhat opaque Liberty group who one suspects will be less than stellar custodians)
2 let it go the wall in the name of free enterprise and immediately be seen as selling his new voters short
3 propping it up with a very large sum of taxpayer money (likely to be at least a hospital or two’s worth) and risk the ire of the shoutier end of the Tory party (inc many Phers one suspects).
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
How can Boris control what a buyer does or doesn't do when there are more factors in play? Business decisions are complex and political posturing is rife, look at Ghosn supposedly pulling Nissan out of the UK severfal years ago if we didn't join the Euro, what a surprise we stayed outside the EZ and it didn't happen.The blast furnace needs a minimum £200m refit
The plant and its immediate supply chain and wider local economy provides for some 30,000 plus people
A significant proportion of these are in newly won Tory seats
He has a very difficult choice ahead of him if the Chinese buyer pulls out namely:
1 find another buyer (likely to be the somewhat opaque Liberty group who one suspects will be less than stellar custodians)
2 let it go the wall in the name of free enterprise and immediately be seen as selling his new voters short
3 propping it up with a very large sum of taxpayer money (likely to be at least a hospital or two’s worth) and risk the ire of the shoutier end of the Tory party (inc many Phers one suspects).
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
I still have friends in Scunny, it could do with a boost as could Grimsby and the other northern Tory seats. Going back to the humberside area to see relatives and friends has been depressing for years including the Blair/Brown era and that needs to change.
He faces a substantial and immediate test of how to treat one of the much trumpeted new constituencies with a distinctly Labour and old economy tinge.
As one of his staunch advocates you seem unable to suggest, in your personal opinion what he might seek to do in the face of that potentially acute test.
As for the “can’t control the buyer” point, that isn’t what is being suggested. One of the options though is clearly to woo another buyer and pass the problem elsewhere.
It’s really a “what would you do ?”question
Looks like Cummings is starting to get warmed up.
https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
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https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
John Simpson Tweeted "Downing Street is putting out the word that it is boycotting @Radio4Today because of its, and the BBC’s, ‘bias’ against Boris Johnson & the Conservatives during the campaign.
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