Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Brooking10 said:
It has the potential to be an interesting early yardstick.
That his opponents will not hesitate to beat him with, regardless of the outcome.If you went to one of the old mining towns, walked into the local businesses there and offered the workforce the chance to ditch their jobs and spend eight hours a day down a coal mine, how many do you think would accept your kind offer? Yet how long was Thatcher personally blamed for 'destroying mining'? One remarkable stat is that Labour closed down more mines than Thatcher did - but who gets the blame?
Whatever happens with S
horpe, there will be a faction who will accuse Boris of doing the wrong thing, handling it badly, not caring and all the other stuff. In cases like this, it will be decades before anyone can offer a dispassionate view on whether the 'right thing' was done.Tuna said:
That his opponents will not hesitate to beat him with, regardless of the outcome.
If you went to one of the old mining towns, walked into the local businesses there and offered the workforce the chance to ditch their jobs and spend eight hours a day down a coal mine, how many do you think would accept your kind offer? Yet how long was Thatcher personally blamed for 'destroying mining'? One remarkable stat is that Labour closed down more mines than Thatcher did - but who gets the blame?
Whatever happens with Shorpe, there will be a faction who will accuse Boris of doing the wrong thing, handling it badly, not caring and all the other stuff. In cases like this, it will be decades before anyone can offer a dispassionate view on whether the 'right thing' was done.
I don’t disagree.If you went to one of the old mining towns, walked into the local businesses there and offered the workforce the chance to ditch their jobs and spend eight hours a day down a coal mine, how many do you think would accept your kind offer? Yet how long was Thatcher personally blamed for 'destroying mining'? One remarkable stat is that Labour closed down more mines than Thatcher did - but who gets the blame?
Whatever happens with S
horpe, there will be a faction who will accuse Boris of doing the wrong thing, handling it badly, not caring and all the other stuff. In cases like this, it will be decades before anyone can offer a dispassionate view on whether the 'right thing' was done.Which is exactly why it is potentially going to be a very big test of his leadership and style as a statesman.
If it plays out that the faction in question is the very people who put him in power that’s going to be a strong test of his mettle.
deadslow said:
JagLover said:
Well once in a generation at least
One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
its none of your business. The Scots and Irish will make up their own minds.One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
As I say the Scottish are quite welcome to have a referendum on independence every generation, just not every few years.
The northern Irish haven't had the chance of a referendum so they are welcome to have one whenever they wish to do so.
Brooking10 said:
I don’t disagree.
Which is exactly why it is potentially going to be a very big test of his leadership and style as a statesman.
If it plays out that the faction in question is the very people who put him in power that’s going to be a strong test of his mettle.
Its all Cummings work.Which is exactly why it is potentially going to be a very big test of his leadership and style as a statesman.
If it plays out that the faction in question is the very people who put him in power that’s going to be a strong test of his mettle.
He motivated disaffected non voters to support brexit and now he’s motivated traditional labour voters (and brexit party voters) to support the conservatives by actually going to these areas and campaigning.
Top work and it’s worked well but lots of people are now expecting some big changes.
El stovey said:
Its all Cummings work.
He motivated disaffected non voters to support brexit and now he’s motivated traditional labour voters (and brexit party voters) to support the conservatives by actually going to these areas and campaigning.
Top work and it’s worked well but lots of people are now expecting some big changes.
Precisely.He motivated disaffected non voters to support brexit and now he’s motivated traditional labour voters (and brexit party voters) to support the conservatives by actually going to these areas and campaigning.
Top work and it’s worked well but lots of people are now expecting some big changes.
Both to their own circumstances and what they would see as traditional Tory behaviours.
Zirconia said:
Looks like Cummings is starting to get warmed up.
https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
John Simpson Tweeted "Downing Street is putting out the word that it is boycotting @Radio4Today because of its, and the BBC’s, ‘bias’ against Boris Johnson & the Conservatives during the campaign.
Only the Today programme, they will still go on This Morning or Five Livehttps://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
John Simpson Tweeted "Downing Street is putting out the word that it is boycotting @Radio4Today because of its, and the BBC’s, ‘bias’ against Boris Johnson & the Conservatives during the campaign.
Brave Fart said:
I suppose he could ask the experts this: "Is it possible to create a modern steel works on the site of the current one, powered by green energy from the nearby North Sea? The government could pay for it, because it is vital to the UK's national interest that we can make our own steel - we cannot rely on imports from China."
Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
You underestimate just how much energy is required to power a steel works, its colossal and entirely unsuitable for green energy short of a major hydroelectric plant with guaranteed water supply. Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
Gargamel said:
Zirconia said:
Looks like Cummings is starting to get warmed up.
https://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
John Simpson Tweeted "Downing Street is putting out the word that it is boycotting @Radio4Today because of its, and the BBC’s, ‘bias’ against Boris Johnson & the Conservatives during the campaign.
Only the Today programme, they will still go on This Morning or Five Livehttps://twitter.com/JohnSimpsonNews/status/1206010...
John Simpson Tweeted "Downing Street is putting out the word that it is boycotting @Radio4Today because of its, and the BBC’s, ‘bias’ against Boris Johnson & the Conservatives during the campaign.
No awkward questioning.
This is also a prime time radio slot.
jsf said:
Brave Fart said:
I suppose he could ask the experts this: "Is it possible to create a modern steel works on the site of the current one, powered by green energy from the nearby North Sea? The government could pay for it, because it is vital to the UK's national interest that we can make our own steel - we cannot rely on imports from China."
Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
You underestimate just how much energy is required to power a steel works, its colossal and entirely unsuitable for green energy short of a major hydroelectric plant with guaranteed water supply. Now, I don't know, perhaps the steel plant there is beyond saving, or it's too costly to save it. But this seems like a good place to start and send a message that the Tories can, and will, rebuild the parts of Britain that need rebuilding.
That hasn't been anything on a commercial scale that replaces coke, but there are one or two options.
https://www.letstalkaboutcoal.co.nz/future-of-coal...
If there is a future for steel in the UK it will be in specialist steel products to support high tech industry.
It makes no sense trying to compete with the USA and China in base stock steel, import that and invest in the high added value steel and alloys that will drive the next industrial revolution.
That will also enable the UK to meet its climate change objectives without crippling the vast majority of UK industry. China and USA are not going to act on those targets in any meaningful way, so take advantage of that reality.
UK has a great opportunity in the next five years to develop the technology base that will drive the economy for the next 100 years, let's no squander it on trying to support a dead industry.
It makes no sense trying to compete with the USA and China in base stock steel, import that and invest in the high added value steel and alloys that will drive the next industrial revolution.
That will also enable the UK to meet its climate change objectives without crippling the vast majority of UK industry. China and USA are not going to act on those targets in any meaningful way, so take advantage of that reality.
UK has a great opportunity in the next five years to develop the technology base that will drive the economy for the next 100 years, let's no squander it on trying to support a dead industry.
jsf said:
If there is a future for steel in the UK it will be in specialist steel products to support high tech industry.
It makes no sense trying to compete with the USA and China in base stock steel, import that and invest in the high added value steel and alloys that will drive the next industrial revolution.
That will also enable the UK to meet its climate change objectives without crippling the vast majority of UK industry. China and USA are not going to act on those targets in any meaningful way, so take advantage of that reality.
UK has a great opportunity in the next five years to develop the technology base that will drive the economy for the next 100 years, let's no squander it on trying to support a dead industry.
SIt makes no sense trying to compete with the USA and China in base stock steel, import that and invest in the high added value steel and alloys that will drive the next industrial revolution.
That will also enable the UK to meet its climate change objectives without crippling the vast majority of UK industry. China and USA are not going to act on those targets in any meaningful way, so take advantage of that reality.
UK has a great opportunity in the next five years to develop the technology base that will drive the economy for the next 100 years, let's no squander it on trying to support a dead industry.
horpe is effectively specialist manufacture already.jsf said:
You underestimate just how much energy is required to power a steel works, its colossal and entirely unsuitable for green energy short of a major hydroelectric plant with guaranteed water supply.
Well yes, that's why I posed my point as a question, not an assertion. If the experts, which appear to include you, say "no, Boris, it can't be done" then so be it.It still strikes me that not being self sufficient in such a basic raw material as steel is rather risky, and I certainly wouldn't want to rely on China for something so fundamental.
Brave Fart said:
Well yes, that's why I posed my point as a question, not an assertion. If the experts, which appear to include you, say "no, Boris, it can't be done" then so be it.
It still strikes me that not being self sufficient in such a basic raw material as steel is rather risky, and I certainly wouldn't want to rely on China for something so fundamental.
Iron is even more basic and we can't be self sufficient in that.It still strikes me that not being self sufficient in such a basic raw material as steel is rather risky, and I certainly wouldn't want to rely on China for something so fundamental.
deadslow said:
JagLover said:
Well once in a generation at least
One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
its none of your business. The Scots and Irish will make up their own minds.One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
williamp said:
deadslow said:
JagLover said:
Well once in a generation at least
One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
its none of your business. The Scots and Irish will make up their own minds.One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.
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