Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)

[anonymous-user]

When’s the vote for London’s (and the south East’s) independence? No need to keep subsidising all those other unprofitable regions.

[turbobloke]

vonuber said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Independance from being the dominant power? How does that work?

A silly argumentative question; independence involves becoming a separate state.

Are you suggesting that Sturgeon wants a subservience referendum?

El stovey said:

When’s the vote for London’s (and the south East’s) independence? No need to keep subsidising all those other unprofitable regions.

Is London a nation state? There should be no need to ask but another silly argumentative question requires it.

Independence involving nation states will include significant change including in financial terms, but isn't defined by such matters, which can occur without independence.

[deadslow]

turbobloke said:

williamp said:

deadslow said:

JagLover said:

Well once in a generation at least

One referendum on Europe in 1975 the next in 2016. That should be the sort of gap for the next Scottish independence referendum.

its none of your business. The Scots and Irish will make up their own minds.

Never understod this. Scotish independance means breaking up the UK. Shouldnt the whole of the UK have a say in the matter?? Its our country as well, after all.

When's the vote for England's independence?

have it tomorrow. No-one else cares.

[Norfolkit]

El stovey said:

When’s the vote for London’s (and the south East’s) independence? No need to keep subsidising all those other unprofitable regions.

Don't forget to take Corbyn, McDonnell, Thornberry, Lamy, Mayor Khan and all the other associated lefty loons you keep electing with you. We'd have a permanent Tory government without you lot.

[turbobloke]

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Or even an English Parliament.

Exactly, the West Lothian question.

Nothing to do with subservience / dominance, or London, obviously.

[hutchst]

Norfolkit said:

Don't forget to take Corbyn, McDonnell, Thornberry, Lamy, Mayor Khan and all the other associated lefty loons you keep electing with you. We'd have a permanent Tory government without you lot.

There would be a permanent Tory government in Westminster without Scotland too. And a lot more money in the exchequer. There are no logical reasons why the Conservatives don't bend over to the demands of the SNP, other than it not being what the majority of the people of Scotland actually want.

[NoNeed]

turbobloke said:

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Or even an English Parliament.

Exactly, the West Lothian question.

Nothing to do with subservience / dominance, or London, obviously.

We have to do something to repair the union maybe a federal UK, it's either that or split.

[turbobloke]

NoNeed said:

turbobloke said:

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Or even an English Parliament.

Exactly, the West Lothian question.

Nothing to do with subservience / dominance, or London, obviously.

We have to do something to repair the union maybe a federal UK, it's either that or split.

Repair selfish me me me foot stamping from people who like democracy when it goes their way?

Three years and counting on the tantrum.

[NoNeed]

turbobloke said:

NoNeed said:

turbobloke said:

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Or even an English Parliament.

Exactly, the West Lothian question.

Nothing to do with subservience / dominance, or London, obviously.

We have to do something to repair the union maybe a federal UK, it's either that or split.

Repair selfish me me me foot stamping from people who like democracy when it goes their way?

Three years and counting on the tantrum.

I use the term loosely lol but we need some fairness and parity where all 4 parts all feel part of something better

[turbobloke]

NoNeed said:

turbobloke said:

NoNeed said:

turbobloke said:

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

When's the vote for England's independence?

Or even an English Parliament.

Exactly, the West Lothian question.

Nothing to do with subservience / dominance, or London, obviously.

We have to do something to repair the union maybe a federal UK, it's either that or split.

Repair selfish me me me foot stamping from people who like democracy when it goes their way?

Three years and counting on the tantrum.

I use the term loosely lol but we need some fairness and parity where all 4 parts all feel part of something better

With respect I'd go along with all people rather than all 4 parts, after all we're basically the same - except for the entrenched liberalista political class who are mostly on planet zorg; so remote and detached they're clueless about life outside London and its Westminster bubble.

[turbobloke]

[anonymous-user]

You are using the Daily Express again as a point of reference and hoping for serious engagement ?

[TTwiggy]

well, at least they've got a picture of him at a tyre fitters, so... er... that's relevant?

[turbobloke]

Brooking10 said:

You are using the Daily Express again as a point of reference and hoping for serious engagement ?

You're forgetting that the primary source of the information is now this country's PM while shooting the messenger is an ad hom fallacy. In a grown-up discussion?

If you're unable to differentiate between primary and secondary sources it will be a constant source of embarrassment for you. Boris gaining the BBC's attention has been all over the media including The Guardian.

Boris Johnson 'looking at' abolishing TV licence fee for BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/b...

Boris Johnson threatens BBC with two-pronged attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/15/bori...

This ^ is presumably more credible in your juvenile way of 'thinking'? It's the same primary source in both cases. It's easy enough to grasp, but you don't get it.

The same primary source and the same story are in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/3ddd2918-1a8e-11ea-9186...

And more besides. Keep up the good work.

TTwiggy said:

well, at least they've got a picture of him at a tyre fitters, so... er... that's relevant?

You're lucky Brooking10 isn't on your case, the point is irrelevant but that's not usually a barrier.

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 16th December 16:43

[Zirconia]

I wonder what Boris promised Cummings to help him win?

Rumours that the Russian report will be let out after they reform the ISC but it is not given, especially since the source seems to be No 10.

[greygoose]

Zirconia said:

I wonder what Boris promised Cummings to help him win?

That he could close his account as turbobloke on PistonHeads and have some sleep each day?

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

You're forgetting that the primary source of the information is now this country's PM while shooting the messenger is an ad hom fallacy. In a grown-up discussion?

If you're unable to differentiate between primary and secondary sources it will be a constant source of embarrassment for you. Boris gaining the BBC's attention has been all over the media including The Guardian.

Boris Johnson 'looking at' abolishing TV licence fee for BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/b...

Boris Johnson threatens BBC with two-pronged attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/15/bori...

This ^ is presumably more credible in your juvenile way of 'thinking'? It's the same primary source in both cases. It's easy enough to grasp, but you don't get it.

The same primary source and the same story are in the FT:
https://www.ft.com/content/3ddd2918-1a8e-11ea-9186...

And more besides. Keep up the good work.

So here’s that thing - when I am not being a tit on PH I spend a decent chunk of my working life working closely with or indeed trying to direct the media. I also end up out of necessity working closely with various layers of HM govt from the Cabinet down.

As a result, and despite my admittedly largely puerile interjections on these boards I have a reasonable handle on how the two interact and operate.

The significant majority of the mainstream media are, and have been for many years, very keen to see the BBC disrupted. Boris’ team in this latest, and very deliberately targeted, campaign (which includes not insignificant background briefing currently ongoing) are pushing against a door not so much open as barely hanging from its hinges. They all lap up a BBC reform story and one suspects will never cease to.

It’s the opening salvoes in what is currently a phoney war and very deliberately designed to both mark the BBC’s card as to how the new Govt will engage and also to test public opinion. There is no plan to privatise the BBC as definitively presented in your tabloid front page. There is though a clever strategy to both threaten it and gauge public opinion as regards the idea. The idea that it can be achieved at a stroke and replaced with a Netflix model is simplistic in the extreme.

As for the Express, it’s a rag. A total and utter rag.

I am genuinely surprised that somebody of your standing would use it as a regular source of input.

[turbobloke]

A nerve has clearly been touched; looking at those with tingles there may be more hits where a nerve is already sensitised by Brexit and Boris's thumping election victory complete with the 80 (in effect nearly 90) seat majority.

If only people claiming some sort of serious engagement criterion had sufficient understanding themselves to make a valid point. As ever, hypocrisy and irony are running thick and deep.

I doubt at this stage that Boris is doing anything more than gaining attention. The Labour Party is now impotent, their own vexatious/tactical complaint can amount to no more than a few minutes' worth of attention from the watchdog. That's if they've taken it that far, given they face more pressing issues at home, namely, a slow meltdown in the long grass. Boris has the beeb by the bangles and can twist at will.

If the licence fee is decriminalised - in terms of non-payment - or indeed scrapped by Boris at some point, it would not be before time. It would bring with it a low tide of beeb grief therapy on PH, alongside election mourning... just as brexit reality starts to hit home.

[TTwiggy]

turbobloke said:

If the licence fee is decriminalised - in terms of non-payment - or indeed scrapped by Boris at some point, it would not be before time. It would bring with it a low tide of beeb grief therapy on PH, alongside election mourning... just as brexit reality starts to hit home.

No. It would simply be doing the bidding of the various commercial media moguls who have been pressing for the demise of the BBC for decades.

[turbobloke]

TTwiggy said:

turbobloke said:

If the licence fee is decriminalised - in terms of non-payment - or indeed scrapped by Boris at some point, it would not be before time. It would bring with it a low tide of beeb grief therapy on PH, alongside election mourning... just as brexit reality starts to hit home.

No. It would simply be doing the bidding of the various commercial media moguls who have been pressing for the demise of the BBC for decades.

If that helps with the tingly nerve, run with it.

Commercial reality cannot be avoided forever and either way, it would make no difference to the outcome, involving BBC people having to stand the corporation on its own two feet and survive with a subscription list containing Guardian readers and others who would be more than willing to pay for the bias (as we choose to do with the bias from other media outlets).

It's up to Boris now if this progresses, not you or me, so it's a case of wait and see how the beeb's bangles jingle.