Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 3)
Discussion
janesmith1950 said:
do find your hypocrisy a delicious treat.
Your at all costs attachment to Brexit has led you to tribal defence of someone who hasn't just been sacked very publicly once for dishonesty, but twice. Someone who changes their tune depending on the direction of the wind, but not clever enough to hide it.
Yet someone clever enough to become Mayor of London and later, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.Your at all costs attachment to Brexit has led you to tribal defence of someone who hasn't just been sacked very publicly once for dishonesty, but twice. Someone who changes their tune depending on the direction of the wind, but not clever enough to hide it.
Perhaps he is clever than you think.
Vanden Saab said:
Highest number of coronavirus tests in Europe now, well done Boris and Matt sterling work.
Great way to prove that we have the most cases, the most deaths etc. Thus a great way to prove we acted too late. Hoisting themselves on their own petard. Nevertheless I welcome the test numbers as it may help us get out of this mess sooner but not sooner than if we had reacted in a more swift manner.
JagLover said:
A pandemic that came along at exactly the wrong time for the government.
Sums up the love in here. A global crisis being seen as an inconvenience for the cabal.Conversely it is the perfect time to hide the accountability for the economic clusterf
k of Brexit under the carpet of “‘oh, but pandemic”.And Cummings still needs sacked for the failing in leadership.
Stuart70 said:
JagLover said:
A pandemic that came along at exactly the wrong time for the government.
Sums up the love in here. A global crisis being seen as an inconvenience for the cabal.The FT, unlike the likes of the Mirror and the "Independent", actually has a reputation to uphold. For them to publish a deliberately misleading chart is therefore a big deal and shows how all events are shone through all the prism of Brexit.
If this had happened next year we would have a much better chance of a more rational response. Not necessarily as calm and logical as the Swedes, but better than we have done.
Has Nicola done much different to Boris?
Seems like lockdown rules have been a bit different
Coronavirus: How Scotland's lockdown rules differ from the other nations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52616182
Seems similar care homes situation though?
Coronavirus: Sturgeon 'haunted' by virus impact on care homes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52795993
JagLover said:
Stuart70 said:
JagLover said:
A pandemic that came along at exactly the wrong time for the government.
Sums up the love in here. A global crisis being seen as an inconvenience for the cabal.The FT, unlike the likes of the Mirror and the "Independent", actually has a reputation to uphold. For them to publish a deliberately misleading chart is therefore a big deal and shows how all events are shone through all the prism of Brexit.
If this had happened next year we would have a much better chance of a more rational response. Not necessarily as calm and logical as the Swedes, but better than we have done.
Your Brexit fetish is quite extreme though. Why would next year have created a more rational response (by which I assume you mean a lower key reaction)?
El stovey said:
Has Nicola done much different to Boris?
Seems like lockdown rules have been a bit different
Coronavirus: How Scotland's lockdown rules differ from the other nations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52616182
Seems similar care homes situation though?
Coronavirus: Sturgeon 'haunted' by virus impact on care homes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52795993
Excess deaths in Scotland 4,434, population 5.5 million, so 806 per million?
Got into one third of UK care homes (unless that is an old stat?), but 60% in Scotland.
I am not really seeing significant differences in outcomes to be honest and policy has been very similar, with Scottish tweaks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/uk-c...
Unless anyone can find any flaw with my maths and I only have a dying calculator at home.
El stovey said:
Has Nicola done much different to Boris?
Seems like lockdown rules have been a bit different
Coronavirus: How Scotland's lockdown rules differ from the other nations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52616182
Seems similar care homes situation though?
Coronavirus: Sturgeon 'haunted' by virus impact on care homes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52795993
greygoose said:
Whilst Sturgeon is generally disliked here, I think she comes across better in the press conferences, there seems to be more explanation of the route ahead and clarity to the message. Boris and co have appeared confused at times and after a clear message at first the rest got garbled and was just a mess, Stay Alert was weird as you cannot see the virus so what are you being alert for?
That seems reasonably fair.I don't follow Sturgeon closely so I'm only going off what I've seen on TV snippets but she comes across really well whenever I've seen her speak recently.
JagLover said:
"Excess" deaths UK as a whole 59,228, so I think that is 888 per million?.
Excess deaths in Scotland 4,434, population 5.5 million, so 806 per million?
Got into one third of UK care homes (unless that is an old stat?), but 60% in Scotland.
I am not really seeing significant differences in outcomes to be honest and policy has been very similar, with Scottish tweaks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/uk-c...
Unless anyone can find any flaw with my maths and I only have a dying calculator at home.
I guess you could say 451 people are alive in Scotland who might not otherwise have been, but for the differentiation. Or you could say that 5,469 people have died in UK who would not have done had the Scottish approach been taken.Excess deaths in Scotland 4,434, population 5.5 million, so 806 per million?
Got into one third of UK care homes (unless that is an old stat?), but 60% in Scotland.
I am not really seeing significant differences in outcomes to be honest and policy has been very similar, with Scottish tweaks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/uk-c...
Unless anyone can find any flaw with my maths and I only have a dying calculator at home.
Accept the range of statistics etc. But these are lives, they matter.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:greygoose said:
Whilst Sturgeon is generally disliked here, I think she comes across better in the press conferences, there seems to be more explanation of the route ahead and clarity to the message. Boris and co have appeared confused at times and after a clear message at first the rest got garbled and was just a mess, Stay Alert was weird as you cannot see the virus so what are you being alert for?
That seems reasonably fair.I don't follow Sturgeon closely so I'm only going off what I've seen on TV snippets but she comes across really well whenever I've seen her speak recently.
But we are in it for longer it seems.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:greygoose said:
Whilst Sturgeon is generally disliked here, I think she comes across better in the press conferences, there seems to be more explanation of the route ahead and clarity to the message. Boris and co have appeared confused at times and after a clear message at first the rest got garbled and was just a mess, Stay Alert was weird as you cannot see the virus so what are you being alert for?
That seems reasonably fair.I don't follow Sturgeon closely so I'm only going off what I've seen on TV snippets but she comes across really well whenever I've seen her speak recently.
andy_s said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:greygoose said:
Whilst Sturgeon is generally disliked here, I think she comes across better in the press conferences, there seems to be more explanation of the route ahead and clarity to the message. Boris and co have appeared confused at times and after a clear message at first the rest got garbled and was just a mess, Stay Alert was weird as you cannot see the virus so what are you being alert for?
That seems reasonably fair.I don't follow Sturgeon closely so I'm only going off what I've seen on TV snippets but she comes across really well whenever I've seen her speak recently.
I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
turbobloke said:
She used the script from her presence at covid / cobra briefings to do a cheap-steal on the wider UK agenda, varying it slightly here and there to add to the illusion of leadership as opposed to the reality which is followership.
I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
No I agree she has a much easier job and can tweak to give an impression of more control, but I don't particularly begrudge her that. She doesn't have the embuggerment of a hostile press either, even when the care home / Nike issues came up. I agree with that and wish the UK press were similar with Boris - there's lots of time to pick over that stuff afterwards and right now it's important to keep focus.I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
turbobloke said:
She used the notes / handouts / script from her presence at covid / cobra briefings to do a cheap-steal on the wider UK agenda, varying it slightly here and there to add to the illusion of leadership as opposed to the reality which is followership.
I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
What Turboscore would you give Boris at the moment? I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
I see you’ve stopped posting his popularity ratings and the handling of the virus ratings. Suddenly public opinion doesn’t seem as important?
andy_s said:
No I agree she has a much easier job and can tweak to give an impression of more control, but I don't particularly begrudge her that. She doesn't have the embuggerment of a hostile press either, even when the care home / Nike issues came up. I agree with that and wish the UK press were similar with Boris - there's lots of time to pick over that stuff afterwards and right now it's important to keep focus.
She’s been very honest and open about care home mistakes which is possibly part of why people seem to like her handling of the crisis. Maybe that’s due to the media giving her an easier ride? Difficult to tell really.
I think she has been better at communicating and explaining her rationale behind what’s going on and she was definitely more decisive about the sacking of her advisors road trip.
turbobloke said:
She used the notes / handouts / script from her presence at covid / cobra briefings to do a cheap-steal on the wider UK agenda, varying it slightly here and there to add to the illusion of leadership as opposed to the reality which is followership.
I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
she's one million per cent more competent that Johnson, who has let the country down badly.I don't agree with her politics either and in addition can spot obvious pre-empting on the political stage.
6/10 tops.
El stovey said:
She’s been very honest and open about care home mistakes which is possibly part of why people seem to like her handling of the crisis.
Maybe that’s due to the media giving her an easier ride? Difficult to tell really.
I think she has been better at communicating and explaining her rationale behind what’s going on and she was definitely more decisive about the sacking of her advisors road trip.
Sturgeon open and honest? Are you for real? The Nike conference in Edinburgh in February that she covered up not ring a bell? Her silence on Blackford's 600 mile drive to Skye the day after Dom went to Durham, and Blackford's subsequent drive around Skye is telling also. She wasn't even decisive in sacking her adviser who went on a roadtrip - she was made to resign. I'll assume Sturgeon is about to have a similar conversation with Blackford? Maybe that’s due to the media giving her an easier ride? Difficult to tell really.
I think she has been better at communicating and explaining her rationale behind what’s going on and she was definitely more decisive about the sacking of her advisors road trip.
Worth getting a Labour MP's view on it too - first time I've agreed with someone on that side of the house for a while:
https://youtu.be/qZWiCqWVhZQ
Especially his comment about the UK media at the end.
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