Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
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A Winner Is You said:
A list of everything their defeat has been blamed on
https://twitter.com/keirbradwell/status/1205251419...
This sums up Labour's problem.https://twitter.com/keirbradwell/status/1205251419...
Without wanting to sound big headed, I knew this was coming.
I've watched every Question Time for the past few years and, whilst it's hardly scientific, in every area and on every episode, the labour person was laughed at. Not with, at. To the extent where Fiona Bruce points to the audience and turns to said labour person to say "they're laughing at you".
That is what the Labour party has been for at least the last year. A laughing stock. If you want to vote for a laughing stock then Elmo would be in the cabinet as health secretary and captain bucket head would be prime minister.
No wonder they lost so badly.
I've watched every Question Time for the past few years and, whilst it's hardly scientific, in every area and on every episode, the labour person was laughed at. Not with, at. To the extent where Fiona Bruce points to the audience and turns to said labour person to say "they're laughing at you".
That is what the Labour party has been for at least the last year. A laughing stock. If you want to vote for a laughing stock then Elmo would be in the cabinet as health secretary and captain bucket head would be prime minister.
No wonder they lost so badly.
From tonight's Evening Standard
Jeremy Corbyn killed the Labour Party. Now we must fight to revive it
Jeremy Corbyn killed the Labour Party. Now we must fight to revive it
The article said:
So who’s to blame? The hard Left will say ABC — anyone but Corbyn. Brexit, the weather, the media, Maureen Lipman, the Chief Rabbi, Tony Blair, sunshine, moonlight, good times and the boogie.
But don’t be fooled. This colossal failure must be owned lock, stock and barrel by Jeremy Corbyn and his deluded henchmen and cheerleaders. They had full control of the political machine, manifesto and message. Anyone who disagreed with them was bullied into silence or out of the party, from Jewish women such as Luciana Berger to old-school bruisers such as Tom Watson. This was full-fat, full-frontal Corbynism and the British public rejected it.
This far-Left, nasty, self-indulgent, infantile, illiterate project has now been tested to destruction.
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And that we don’t have to be scared of the thuggish Corbyn cheerleaders who specialise in the politics of hate, especially on social media. They told people to eff off and join the Tories, and guess what? They did. In their droves.
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I urge moderates to stay in the party or rejoin it. The fightback begins here. This is a moment to show courage and rescue Labour.
Ayesha Hazarika was political advisor to Harriet Harman and Ed Miliband. She was anti-Corbyn initially but, following the 2017 general election, she acknowledged "I got it wrong on Corbyn", and urged her Labour colleagues to acknowledge Corbyn's success and to try to find peace with him.But don’t be fooled. This colossal failure must be owned lock, stock and barrel by Jeremy Corbyn and his deluded henchmen and cheerleaders. They had full control of the political machine, manifesto and message. Anyone who disagreed with them was bullied into silence or out of the party, from Jewish women such as Luciana Berger to old-school bruisers such as Tom Watson. This was full-fat, full-frontal Corbynism and the British public rejected it.
This far-Left, nasty, self-indulgent, infantile, illiterate project has now been tested to destruction.
...
And that we don’t have to be scared of the thuggish Corbyn cheerleaders who specialise in the politics of hate, especially on social media. They told people to eff off and join the Tories, and guess what? They did. In their droves.
...
I urge moderates to stay in the party or rejoin it. The fightback begins here. This is a moment to show courage and rescue Labour.
tali1 said:
P5BNij said:
Call me a snowflake (of Jewish lineage) if you like, but this damn near brought a tear to my eye...
'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Murray is a rampant Islamaphobe (sorry, anti-islam) -a la Tory party.But that can be forgiven ?'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Edited by P5BNij on Friday 13th December 20:11
P5BNij said:
tali1 said:
P5BNij said:
Call me a snowflake (of Jewish lineage) if you like, but this damn near brought a tear to my eye...
'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Murray is a rampant Islamaphobe (sorry, anti-islam) -a la Tory party.But that can be forgiven ?'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Edited by P5BNij on Friday 13th December 20:11
I can barely read that but got some of it (I've seen the list elsewhere) - condemning this and signing that doesn't amount to tackling the anti-Semitysm within his own party which he has allowed to fester and flourish for years (and continues today in his name). What's your opinion on Jewish members of the Labour party being hounded out, with some of them needing bodyguards when out in public for fear of attacks from left wingers, and some receiving death threats on social media? What's your opinion on Corbyn writing the foreword to a book written by a holocaust denying anti-Semite? What's your opinion on Corbyn sharing platforms with holocaust denying anti-Semites?
Edited by P5BNij on Friday 13th December 20:28
tali1 said:
I've looked into some of these before, and what it seems to come down to is a list of actions where JC's acting against perceived fascists, which would of course be true to his ideology. The problem is that the Jewish connection seems to be significantly less important than the "anti-fascist" aspect in the majority of cases.I also seem to recall a claim that his parents were involved in the Battle of Cable Street, but this seems to have been quietly dropped after no evidence of any kind could be found of their participation. Rather like John McDonnell's re-write of his educational history, it seems likely this was a fiction created to burnish his proletarian credentials.
Think you're being a bit selective there - but never mind read in to it as you choose . Chief rabbi who criticized Corbyn , the media didn't mention he was a Johnson supporter.Plus there are many Jews who have sided with Corbyn - one was called a "self -loathing Jew" by A Dangerous Hero author Tom Bowers.
I condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
I condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
Edited by tali1 on Friday 13th December 20:48
Its telling of a totally self absorbed mindset that jewish people still trot out anti-semetism as a reason labour lost so many seats.
I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
tali1 said:
Think you're being a bit selective there - but never mind. Chief rabbi who criticized Corbyn , the media didn't mention he was a Johnson supporter.Plus there are many Jews who have sided with Corbyn - one was called a "self -loathing Jew" by A Dangerous Hero author Tom Bowers.
I condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
Can a Johnson supporter not criticise Corbyn? I'd have thought it would be fineI condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
That list is a load of rubbish. One of the items on it is trying to remove mention of Judaism from a holocaust rememberance event. Well done.
jakesmith said:
tali1 said:
Think you're being a bit selective there - but never mind. Chief rabbi who criticized Corbyn , the media didn't mention he was a Johnson supporter.Plus there are many Jews who have sided with Corbyn - one was called a "self -loathing Jew" by A Dangerous Hero author Tom Bowers.
I condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
Can a Johnson supporter not criticise Corbyn? I'd have thought it would be fineI condemn any attacks just as i do in the 375 per cent rise Islamophobic incidents after Johnson's comments.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews protested against IDF conscription -if Corbyn had attended ,no doubt he alone,would be labelled an antisemite
That list is a load of rubbish. One of the items on it is trying to remove mention of Judaism from a holocaust rememberance event. Well done.
"One of the items on it is trying to remove mention of Judaism from a holocaust rememberance event" -sorry my eyesight is not as good -where is this ??
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Edited by tali1 on Friday 13th December 21:05
tali1 said:
P5BNij said:
tali1 said:
P5BNij said:
Call me a snowflake (of Jewish lineage) if you like, but this damn near brought a tear to my eye...
'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Murray is a rampant Islamaphobe (sorry, anti-islam) -a la Tory party.But that can be forgiven ?'Labour's anti-Semitysm must never be forgotten' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/labours-anti...
Edited by P5BNij on Friday 13th December 20:11
tFundoreen said:
Its telling of a totally self absorbed mindset that jewish people still trot out anti-semetism as a reason labour lost so many seats.
I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
Jolly good. As has been said already 5 years plotting your return (ffs get a life). See you in 2024. Ciao I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
Fundoreen said:
Its telling of a totally self absorbed mindset that jewish people still trot out anti-semetism as a reason labour lost so many seats.
I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
A revealing turn of phrase. I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
The embarrassing relations, eh?
SpeckledJim said:
Fundoreen said:
Its telling of a totally self absorbed mindset that jewish people still trot out anti-semetism as a reason labour lost so many seats.
I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
A revealing turn of phrase. I doubt someone in workington of wrexham gives this sort of thing a 2nd thought and the snp are pretty much a labour party so why vote for english labour.
Labour had the curse of having a strong traditional support base which were brexit voters so were doomed trying to please all.
Maybe Corbyn could have been some sort wild orator with some eye bulging rhetoric to convinced them otherwise
but thats unlikely.
If he was a tony blair he would have just told massive lies before backtracking if he got elected. How noble.
In fact thats the fear you have with boris.
This is probably the right result for the country as its a settled an argument won over 3 years ago.
The public will be more ready for a labour party after 5 years of boris and no brexit argument to lose.
And we got rid of another liberal snake or two. They seem to exist only to throw a spanner in the works.
The embarrassing relations, eh?
But there is no brains in that team so should be a laugh a minute now as we see the british trump at work.
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