Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Mobile Chicane said:
I would agree that the use of language like that referenced is unacceptable and has no place in the Labour Party or anywhere else.
If proven, the member should be expelled.
There is an art to polite disagreement which some people evidently need to learn.
It goes beyond "language" though it's about views.If proven, the member should be expelled.
There is an art to polite disagreement which some people evidently need to learn.
What makes someone even begin to think that way?
I've never voted Labour in my life but I would never have anticipated something like this happening under Tony Blair or Gordon Brown or Ed Milliband.
The leader of a political party sets the tone and direction for the party.
He's had four years and that kind of thing is the tone and direction that's take hold on his watch.
That's absolutely unforgivable.
Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
Mobile Chicane said:
It is, but I would assert that it has more to do with declining standards of behaviour online everywhere in the past two decades rather than anything to do with Corbyn's Labour leadership per se.
Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
Do you think it's a coincidence that it's festered exclusively under Corbyn's "leadership"?Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
It seems much more focused and specific than something that can be explained as "declining standards of behaviour online everywhere".
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Mobile Chicane said:
It is, but I would assert that it has more to do with declining standards of behaviour online everywhere in the past two decades rather than anything to do with Corbyn's Labour leadership per se.
Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
Do you think it's a coincidence that it's festered exclusively under Corbyn's "leadership"?Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
It seems much more focused and specific than something that can be explained as "declining standards of behaviour online everywhere".
paulrockliffe said:
He's just like the rest of them, grasping at any get-out because to admit Corbyn is anti-semitic through either action or inaction is to admit that anti semitism is OK so long as he gets his Labour Government. Which in itself is anti Semitic.
And people voting for Johnson turn a blind eye to the Islamophobic elements of the Conservative Party in order to "Get Brexit Done".Once you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And people voting for Johnson turn a blind eye to the Islamophobic elements of the Conservative Party in order to "Get Brexit Done".
Once you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I wouldn't turn a blind eye to any racismOnce you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I would be surprised to see it anything remotely approaching the scale in the Conservative party, of the cess pit that is the Labour party
But when I see the evidence I will condemn it too.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Mobile Chicane said:
It is, but I would assert that it has more to do with declining standards of behaviour online everywhere in the past two decades rather than anything to do with Corbyn's Labour leadership per se.
Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
Do you think it's a coincidence that it's festered exclusively under Corbyn's "leadership"?Remember 'netiquette'? I wonder how many people nowadays have even heard of it.
It seems much more focused and specific than something that can be explained as "declining standards of behaviour online everywhere".
jakesmith said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And people voting for Johnson turn a blind eye to the Islamophobic elements of the Conservative Party in order to "Get Brexit Done".
Once you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I wouldn't turn a blind eye to any racismOnce you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I would be surprised to see it anything remotely approaching the scale in the Conservative party, of the cess pit that is the Labour party
But when I see the evidence I will condemn it too.
Mobile Chicane said:
As stated above, I accept that Corbyn's support for Palestinian causes could be inflammatory to some.
Honestly I think you're dancing on the head of a pin a little.There are examples linked from this thread of appalling anti-semitism.
The EHRC are investigating Labour - they've only ever done that one other political party and that's the BNP.
This has all happened under one mans so-called leadership.
I think I'm coming at it factually rather than simply wearing a blue scarf and lobbing rocks.
It's a damning indictment of Corbyn.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Mobile Chicane said:
As stated above, I accept that Corbyn's support for Palestinian causes could be inflammatory to some.
Honestly I think you're dancing on the head of a pin a little.There are examples linked from this thread of appalling anti-semitism.
The EHRC are investigating Labour - they've only ever done that one other political party and that's the BNP.
This has all happened under one mans so-called leadership.
I think I'm coming at it factually rather than simply wearing a blue scarf and lobbing rocks.
It's a damning indictment of Corbyn.
Mobile Chicane said:
jakesmith said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And people voting for Johnson turn a blind eye to the Islamophobic elements of the Conservative Party in order to "Get Brexit Done".
Once you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I wouldn't turn a blind eye to any racismOnce you try and turn race and religion issues into a party thing nobody tends to come out of it looking good.
I would be surprised to see it anything remotely approaching the scale in the Conservative party, of the cess pit that is the Labour party
But when I see the evidence I will condemn it too.
And no, one man's casual racism or poor choice of words isn't on a par with an entire organisation that is obviously institutionally racist from bottom to top
And even if it was, so what? It doesn't diminish Labour's racism one iota.
Mobile Chicane said:
5 Surely no-one with a shred of intellect believes any of that Jewish-global-capitalism-conspiracy crap?
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”Joseph Goebbels
There is no way I could with a clear conscience vote for a political party that allows such blatant anti-semitism within its ranks, I'm reminded of the quote usually attributed to Edmund Burke,
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Round here you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would get elected but I'm still voting against the Labour candidate and more importantly voting against anti-semitism.
Mobile Chicane said:
Boris Johnson referring to women in Islamic dress as 'letterboxes';
Just in case...He said he felt "fully entitled" to expect women to remove face coverings when talking to him at his MP surgery - and schools and universities should be able to take the same approach if a student "turns up... looking like a bank robber".
"If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you," he said.
"If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree - and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran.
"I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes."
He said businesses and government agencies should be able to "enforce a dress code" that allowed them to see customers' faces.
But he said: "Such restrictions are not quite the same as telling a free-born adult woman what she may or may not wear, in a public place, when she is simply minding her own business."
He said a total ban on face-covering veils would give a boost to radicals who said there was a "clash of civilisations" between Islam and the West and could lead to "a general crackdown on any public symbols of religious affiliation".
Tango13 said:
Mobile Chicane said:
5 Surely no-one with a shred of intellect believes any of that Jewish-global-capitalism-conspiracy crap?
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”Joseph Goebbels
There is no way I could with a clear conscience vote for a political party that allows such blatant anti-semitism within its ranks, I'm reminded of the quote usually attributed to Edmund Burke,
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Round here you could stick a blue rosette on a pig and it would get elected but I'm still voting against the Labour candidate and more importantly voting against anti-semitism.
But that's ok with you?
Sheesh.
Mobile Chicane said:
So, it's more important for you to vote for a regime that will ensure austerity continues, that we have even more homeless dying on the streets, public services for everyone in the UK are further degraded, and we run the risk of an extremely damaging Brexit that will negatively affect the lives of Semite, anti-Semite, racist and non-racist alike...
But that's ok with you?
Sheesh.
We finally agree Mr T.Roll - if you don't like austerity, don't vote Labour - the borrowing and taxation and capital flight and debt the UK is left with, will mean the ensuing Tory austerity will make the last round look like a walk in the park. Hate austerity? Vote Tory.But that's ok with you?
Sheesh.
Mobile Chicane said:
So, it's more important for you to vote for a regime
that will ensure austerity continues it won't,
that we have even more homeless dying on the streetsit won't
public services for everyone in the UK are further degradedthey won't,
and we run the risk of an extremely damaging Brexit it won't be
that will negatively affect the lives of very few
Sheesh.
I will vote for a party that does not have a racist Marxist, a massive collection of thickos and John the Mad Red in it thanks. Labour are run by total fthat will ensure austerity continues it won't,
that we have even more homeless dying on the streetsit won't
public services for everyone in the UK are further degradedthey won't,
and we run the risk of an extremely damaging Brexit it won't be
that will negatively affect the lives of very few
Sheesh.
king nutters with their mad sights set at a very dangerous level.Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 6th December 16:34
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