Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

[Weezywee]

fblm said:

Sort of. It's income based (as idiotically defined poverty=less than 60% of median income; that's roughly 18k after tax per household). So if you gave every household 1m in the first year the median household income would be 1m and change no one would make less than 600k so there would be zero poverty. The following year though you'd be back to square one, except now half the country wouldn't need any income so your 'poverty rate' would sky rocket.

This shows how ridiculous a measure of poverty it is. We hear 4.1m children in poverty, this would be around 1 in 3 children which is a ridiculous thing to say. But its a nice headline figure for the Labour Party and SNP to bang on about to point out how nasty those Tories are to the gullible.

[anonymous-user]

jakesmith said:

You people always lie about Corbyn - you've missed off his education completely:
Top school for A Levels - awarded EE
Went to a poly to study trade union studies - kicked off course for being too argumentative in seminars

You missed private prep school and grammar school before flunking those 2 A levels. Having had such a privileged start in life only to turn out such a loser must sting.

[Kent Border Kenny]

fblm said:

You missed private prep school and grammar school before flunking those 2 A levels. Having had such a privileged start in life only to turn out such a loser must sting.

I struggle to understand how you can have a private education and then fail so badly at A-levels.

Intelligence is far from sufficient to think that you can run the country, but it’s necessary.

[Slaav]

Kent Border Kenny said:

I struggle to understand how you can have a private education and then fail so badly at A-levels.

Intelligence is far from sufficient to think that you can run the country, but it’s necessary.

Don’t worry, the Shadow Education Minister was talking about the ‘full electrifisation’ Of cars and trains Labour

[Brave Fart]

Slaav said:

He really is a strange one isn’t he?
He is also one of the Labour ‘heavyweights ‘ and travels around helping newer ‘lightweights’....
Just picture the front bench/cabinet if these clowns got in! Let alone the ‘top’ jobs

True, so true. In a way, it's a shame that the campaign has become so focused on Corbyn v Boris. I wish there were more emphasis on the likes of Diane Abbott, John "Raging Marxist" McDonnell, Angela "Granny at 37" Rayner, Rebecca Wrong-Daily and Richard "oooh Boris is a Tory" Burgon.

Labour used to have a degree of talent in its ranks. Now it's a sort of poor man's Muppet Show.

[anonymous-user]

Weezywee said:

fblm said:

Sort of. It's income based (as idiotically defined poverty=less than 60% of median income; that's roughly 18k after tax per household). So if you gave every household 1m in the first year the median household income would be 1m and change no one would make less than 600k so there would be zero poverty. The following year though you'd be back to square one, except now half the country wouldn't need any income so your 'poverty rate' would sky rocket.

This shows how ridiculous a measure of poverty it is. We hear 4.1m children in poverty, this would be around 1 in 3 children which is a ridiculous thing to say. But its a nice headline figure for the Labour Party and SNP to bang on about to point out how nasty those Tories are to the gullible.

To illustrate just how idiotic a measure 'relative poverty' is, between 2008 and 2011 'child poverty' in the UK fell from 22% to 17%... in the wake of the financial crisis. Why? Because median household incomes fell!

[Graveworm]

fblm said:

To illustrate just how idiotic a measure 'relative poverty' is, between 2008 and 2011 'child poverty' in the UK fell from 22% to 17%... in the wake of the financial crisis. Why? Because median household incomes fell!

Labour will reduce child poverty. If they win, the exodus of successful companies and the wealthy, will lead to the median value falling faster than tickets to an evening with Prince Andrew.

[ChocolateFrog]

fblm said:

jakesmith said:

You people always lie about Corbyn - you've missed off his education completely:
Top school for A Levels - awarded EE
Went to a poly to study trade union studies - kicked off course for being too argumentative in seminars

You missed private prep school and grammar school before flunking those 2 A levels. Having had such a privileged start in life only to turn out such a loser must sting.

It's insulting for those of us who had to endure 7 years of a stty comprehensive education and still came away significantly better qualified.

Corbyn's not the only guilty one either.

[JagLover]

230TE said:

jsf said:

https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/120374665...

You'd struggle to have a social media post go more badly wrong for the OP than that. Brilliant.

The Best is the Forest Gump meme

[KingNothing]

Burwood said:

I have absolutely no idea. What does a Family get who are poor and have no job, say 2 kids. Clearly they get a home paid for. I assume they'd get about £150 a week in hand to make ends meet?

Edited by Burwood on Sunday 8th December 19:50

A quick look on the website suggests two 30 year olds with a 5 and 6 year old, both unemployed on job seekers allowance, would get £330 per week on universal credit where I live.

[zygalski]

To be consistent, shouldn't you guys be talking about Islamophobia in the Tory party in this thread?

[ORD]

It’s almost the case that the Labour front bench would be worst than the PM. Not quite, but it’s a close run thing.

I honestly think it’s immoral to vote for such stupid people. I know that’s a harsh thing to say. But even if I was ideologically inclined to the left, I would not think it fair or reasonable to impose those idiots on the country. It would be reckless. Irrespective of their politics, they are simply too stupid to run a country.

[Fastdruid]

zygalski said:

To be consistent, shouldn't you guys be talking about Islamophobia in the Tory party in this thread?

Nope. Firstly this is the wrong thread for it (should go in the Boris Johnson thread or similar), secondly the Conservatives don't have even a fraction of the problem that Labour does.

Labour has a problem with institutional antisemitism.

[ORD]

I think it is quite telling when Labour supporters engage in whataboutery on Islamophobia.

Are there Tory MPs that do not accept the right of Muslim-majority countries to exist? Are there Muslim Tories leaving the party because of persistent hatred and abuse because of their religion?

The scale and severity is so different that even referring to Islamophobia reveals that Labour still does think there is anything wrong with being a violent anti-semite.

[768]

Slaav said:

Kent Border Kenny said:

I struggle to understand how you can have a private education and then fail so badly at A-levels.

Intelligence is far from sufficient to think that you can run the country, but it’s necessary.

Don’t worry, the Shadow Education Minister was talking about the ‘full electrifisation’ Of cars and trains Labour

To be fair, she didn't even try for A levels.

[Camoradi]

zygalski said:

To be consistent, shouldn't you guys be talking about Islamophobia in the Tory party in this thread?

The most damaging part of the Labour Party response to their anti-semitism issue is their preference for pointing at other parties' problems rather than dealing with their own. They had the opportunity over the last few years to be a shining example of how to deal with an issue like this, and enter the election with the general public applauding their actions, but they failed to do so. It's not an unreasonable conclusion to arrive at, that the party leadership have sympathy with the terrible cancer in their party, or lack the bravery to face it down. That, in my opinion, is their biggest failure.

[Fastdruid]

ORD said:

I think it is quite telling when Labour supporters engage in whataboutery on Islamophobia.

Are there Tory MPs that do not accept the right of Muslim-majority countries to exist? Are there Muslim Tories leaving the party because of persistent hatred and abuse because of their religion?

The scale and severity is so different that even referring to Islamophobia reveals that Labour still does think there is anything wrong with being a violent anti-semite.

A couple of sites to read on the subject

https://unherd.com/2019/11/labour-is-institutional...


https://medium.com/@sararoseofficial/everything-i-...

[Oakey]

ORD said:

I think it is quite telling when Labour supporters engage in whataboutery on Islamophobia.

Are there Tory MPs that do not accept the right of Muslim-majority countries to exist? Are there Muslim Tories leaving the party because of persistent hatred and abuse because of their religion?

The scale and severity is so different that even referring to Islamophobia reveals that Labour still does think there is anything wrong with being a violent anti-semite.

When that JLM thing was released last week I saw comments on Twitter and Reddit along the lines of "What about the party that has actual racism in it?" referring to the Tory party and Islamophobia. 'Actual racism', just shows exactly what these people think regards AS.

[Dont like rolls]

768 said:

To be fair, she didn't even try for A levels.

Did she get that far in the alphabet ?

[Digga]

Good head to head between McDonnell and 'billionaire philanthropist' John Caudwell:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-5069167...