Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Munter said:
768 said:
Wow. Good luck starting a business, that'd end enough of them.
They don't want people starting businesses. Businesses are evil.You should be working for the state the same as everyone else who isn't evil.
Given SMEs represent over 90% of all businesses in the UK and over 60% of jobs, all governments ought to know more about them and value them better.
My soapbox when consulted on local planning issues always focuses on one such blindspot; a lack of available premises. Many businesses can be run without a base, but most cannot. If there are not small, general purpose type offices and business units, then with the best will and entrepreneurship in the world, you cannot establish a business.
Wombat3 said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Yep, you can't take out as salary instead either because then the company would get clobbered for 13.8% employers NI first.Grim reading for the small business owner.
I may book a call with the accountant for Friday AM just in case. He's also a partner in a Caterham dealership so it could go either way
jakesmith said:
ORD said:
jonby said:
Marxism in particular thrives on generalisations and polarisation at it's very core
In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
This is pretty much spot on, in my opinion.In Marxism, capitalism depends on exploiting the workers. Capitalism is not just a financial model, but also a political one. You are either a worker being taken advantage of or a rich boss taking advantage of the workers
Every person, institution, class, etc has to fit into one of those two polar opposites
Hence all rich are evil
In turn, they have an absolute need to pigeonhole jews into one of those two categories. No guessing which we fall into. That, in a nutshell, is why AS is at the forefront in labour under corbyn and his closest supporters. It's why the party can't get rid of AS with him at the helm
So yes it's a generalisation and yes, politics in general across the spectrum has become more polarised. But it's always particularly prevalent in Marxists
The far left requires a simplistic them vs us narrative. Its utterly divisive and poisonous.
The absurdity of a Marxist government coming in and smashing this country’s fiscal structure to bits, to appease people who it has duped into believing they are poor, when they are amongst the worlds wealthiest with free housing, education and healthcare, is beyond parody. The price the poorest in this country will have to pay following such a government will be severe.
I've said many times that the new marxist term in the west is "inequality" ; its been the "go to" word of the left wing for the past decade now. And people on the left lap it up as if they are on to some big new injustice in the world that needs sorting out. Its nothing more than a re-brand of the marxist term "oppression". Which in the modern western world is more or less non-existent.
Ever since the Berlin wall fell, the notion that a marxist/socialist economy was able to be successful in the modern world fell over with it, and ever since then the left have had no credible economics that they could put in their manifestos to attract rational thinking voters. Their economic plans ALWAYS rely on the fact that they will use other people's money (rather than what the nation has 'earnt' in GDP), to fund their ideology and to fund a circle of diminishing returns economy.
The "circle of diminishing returns" is the crux of the issue as it only lasts for so long - until the national deficit, and therefore the huge debt, can no longer be supported. And we've seen this with evidence from around the world with many socialist/communist governments. Not only that we've seen how it affects the levels of poverty and hardship in such socialist/communist nations.
When everyone is brought down to the lowest rung of the ladder and the ideology then claims everyone is 'equal' and "oppression is no longer", you quickly see the pathetic reality of the situation and the pathetic reality of their ideology.
Why would any voter want to subject the UK economy and the people to that ?
I guess its because as many say, the left wing is more about "hate" than anything else. The emotional power of "hate" is such that it overrides rational thinking.
Wombat3 said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Yep, you can't take out as salary instead either because then the company would get clobbered for 13.8% employers NI first.Grim reading for the small business owner.
As has been said, despite the meanderings of this thread and the focus on sound bites, photo opportunities and the like, none of it should matter.
The fact remains that history show that a Labour Government, even one less extreme than Corbyn and his cronies, is worse than a Conservative Government for the economy as a whole and for the massive majority of people individually.
Minds should have been made up weeks ago.
This is the sort of s
t that labour have been posting through my door.
Just how desperate do they have to be to resort to this nonsense now rather than trying to hammer home their own policies.
I hope labour get shafted, for the only reason that they realise Corbyn and McDonnell are not the way forward and we see a return of a more centrist and less militant labour party, surely to god corbyn cannot hang on for another GE? He will have lost 2 now (hopefully).
t that labour have been posting through my door.Just how desperate do they have to be to resort to this nonsense now rather than trying to hammer home their own policies.
I hope labour get shafted, for the only reason that they realise Corbyn and McDonnell are not the way forward and we see a return of a more centrist and less militant labour party, surely to god corbyn cannot hang on for another GE? He will have lost 2 now (hopefully).
Mobile Chicane said:
I don't know (which is fair) but it's certainly true that it's become incredibly difficult to know what is accurate reporting. I'm of the opinion that in many instances, even the journos don't know what's accurate. That's why I'm still so wary of what might happen come polling day. R Mutt said:
I had a conversation with someone otherwise appearing of fair intellect who asked why I was concerned about corporation tax, as 'only large corporations pay it'
Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
Also had similar conversations.Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
The majority of the UK economy is made up from SMEs (small/medium enterprises) - such as the typical corner shop, the start ups, the self employed etc. etc. What some would call "real people" doing a "hard days work". Not the typical left wing notion that businesses must all be of the type that have the tax payer sitting in an ivory office throwing paper airplanes in to the bin whilst they laugh at the 'oppressed' salary level of the factory floor.
V10leptoquark said:
R Mutt said:
I had a conversation with someone otherwise appearing of fair intellect who asked why I was concerned about corporation tax, as 'only large corporations pay it'
Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
Also had similar conversations.Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
The majority of the UK economy is made up from SMEs (small/medium enterprises) - such as the typical corner shop, the start ups, the self employed etc. etc. What some would call "real people" doing a "hard days work". Not the typical left wing notion that businesses must all be of the type that have the tax payer sitting in an ivory office throwing paper airplanes in to the bin whilst they laugh at the 'oppressed' salary level of the factory floor.
R Mutt said:
V10leptoquark said:
R Mutt said:
I had a conversation with someone otherwise appearing of fair intellect who asked why I was concerned about corporation tax, as 'only large corporations pay it'
Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
Also had similar conversations.Typical of most Labour voters in their limited understanding of business..
The majority of the UK economy is made up from SMEs (small/medium enterprises) - such as the typical corner shop, the start ups, the self employed etc. etc. What some would call "real people" doing a "hard days work". Not the typical left wing notion that businesses must all be of the type that have the tax payer sitting in an ivory office throwing paper airplanes in to the bin whilst they laugh at the 'oppressed' salary level of the factory floor.
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