Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
Discussion
McDonnell on 'Today' just now said two interesting things: "We're not into slogans, only sound policies" (Not verbatim) and "
... he was in a joshing mood [apropos yesterdays shadow health revelation] just to wind up his Tory friend". He also referred to a "...child with pneumonia..."
"I wish for a time of honest politics without the false slogans and lies" he lied.
None is verbatim but is the essence of his statements.
... he was in a joshing mood [apropos yesterdays shadow health revelation] just to wind up his Tory friend". He also referred to a "...child with pneumonia..."
"I wish for a time of honest politics without the false slogans and lies" he lied.
None is verbatim but is the essence of his statements.
princeperch said:
Well our nursery have gone to the fairly extreme measure of putting an open letter up to say if labour are elected they will be putting their fees up by a total of 27pc next year to reflect the increase in staffing costs.
Which is lovely.
That's okay, because the government will pick up the tab.Which is lovely.
https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-will-open-a-sur...
Supercilious Sid said:
2xChevrons said:
Of course not. Momentum isn't Corbyn's personal bodyguard or anything like that. It's a Labour-affiliated political organisation to promote and campaign for socialist politics within the Labour Party, just as Progess does the same for 'Blairite' politics, the Fabians campaign for parliamentary social democracy, Labour CND brings together people focussed on nuclear disarmament, the JLM is a group of pro-Israel left-wingers and the SERA campaigns and informs on environmental matters and so on.
When Corbyn stands down (whether it's due to a thumping electoral defeat or not), Momentum will encourage a leadership candidate with what they deem suitable views to stand for election - possibly one with harder-left views than Corbyn - and then campaign for their election. They will also continue to exist as a forum and group for supporting their political views throughout the Labour Party. Simple as that.
The idea that Momentum is some sort of elite Red Guard unit that pulls strings in the Labour Party at the whims of Corbyn and McDonnell is one of the more hilarious bits of hysteria that this thread is prone to.
Thanks for the clarification Seamus.When Corbyn stands down (whether it's due to a thumping electoral defeat or not), Momentum will encourage a leadership candidate with what they deem suitable views to stand for election - possibly one with harder-left views than Corbyn - and then campaign for their election. They will also continue to exist as a forum and group for supporting their political views throughout the Labour Party. Simple as that.
The idea that Momentum is some sort of elite Red Guard unit that pulls strings in the Labour Party at the whims of Corbyn and McDonnell is one of the more hilarious bits of hysteria that this thread is prone to.
technodup said:
Ganglandboss said:
When Corbyn resigns on Friday,
I don't think there's any chance of that. He's not resigned after previous votes of no confidence or election failure. He'll obviously have to go at some point, but I doubt it will be immediate.In the last GE, they won an increased share of the vote and the Conservatives lost their majority, so they’ll view that as a partial success.
I think Corbyn is an arrogant enough tw*t to refuse to go, but there are a couple of issues:
- His backers at the heart of the party (McDonnell, Milne etc) will be pushing for a fresh face.
- He looks warm out, and I suspect he’ll be glad to go.
Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:
Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:
What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
Just heard him being interviewed...by Nick Robinson...
...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
If you go on twitter the Labour/Momentum/Russian bots are all banging on about 0% Labour 88% Tory.
What they seem to not want to talk about is this is only paid adverts on Facebook. Not the unpaid posts. Unpaid posts could be 100% lies and it wouldn't show up in those stats. But...Jeremy Corbyn fans and numbers...not great bed fellows.
What they seem to not want to talk about is this is only paid adverts on Facebook. Not the unpaid posts. Unpaid posts could be 100% lies and it wouldn't show up in those stats. But...Jeremy Corbyn fans and numbers...not great bed fellows.
Ganglandboss said:
I think Corbyn is an arrogant enough tw*t to refuse to go, but there are a couple of issues:
I'm not convinced. I've seen McLuskey pushing the 'not necessarily' line and that there should be a period of 'reflection' first. I don't doubt it will be a relief to him to step down but I don't think he's really in charge of himself, never mind anything else.- His backers at the heart of the party (McDonnell, Milne etc) will be pushing for a fresh face.
- He looks warm out, and I suspect he’ll be glad to go.
Munter said:
If you go on twitter the Labour/Momentum/Russian bots are all banging on about 0% Labour 88% Tory.
What they seem to not want to talk about is this is only paid adverts on Facebook. Not the unpaid posts. Unpaid posts could be 100% lies and it wouldn't show up in those stats. But...Jeremy Corbyn fans and numbers...not great bed fellows.
99% of statistics etc...What they seem to not want to talk about is this is only paid adverts on Facebook. Not the unpaid posts. Unpaid posts could be 100% lies and it wouldn't show up in those stats. But...Jeremy Corbyn fans and numbers...not great bed fellows.
Smiler. said:
Just heard him being interviewed...by Nick Robinson...
...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
The IRA sympathising is something which I hear from friends of various backgrounds. Obviously, just about anyone connected to the armed forces (in the UK, that's not the least bit uncommon) has this view, plus many in the police for the same reasons....in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
Then you have the anti-Semetism, which sits very awkwardly with many people, especially other minorities.
Then you have small business owners and sole traders, and people who are generally doing well and happy to pay tax, but not happy to be bleed dry, see the tax pissed up the wall and be made out as some sort of greedy pariahs to boot.
Then you have all of those who still wish to leave the EU, which let's face it, by any estimation is still a hell of a lot of people.
It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...
230TE said:
One thing this election has done is made me think for the first time about anti-Semitism in this country. I'm non-Jewish and from rural East Anglia. Anti-Semitism is something I vaguely associated with pre-war East London, Mosley etc, and the occasional National Front retard daubing a swastika on a synagogue. I have now had my eyes opened to how prevalent it still is, how it cloaks itself in a wafer-thin disguise and how politicians are still tapping into centuries-old prejudices and pushing voters' anti-Semitic buttons. We shouldn't be seeing this kind of behaviour in a supposedly tolerant, modern country that prides itself on cultural diversity. This is 2019, not 1519.
I have to agree with this, I thought anti-Semitism was dead in the water amongst the normal, and it was just the tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense outliers running with it. To have it bubbling away almost on the surface in a party that’s the official opposition is a very sad state of affairs. There’s a reason why the Jewish people do well, they tend to have higher IQs and all the ones I’ve met, work really hard, so naturally on the whole, they will do better. What's the problem with that? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_int...
As for Islamophobia in the Tories. Is there as much evidence as there is for AS in Labour? – genuine question…
Digga said:
Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:
PFI started under John Major, and grew further under Blair. But Corbyn was never a supporter.Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:
What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
Smiler. said:
Just heard him being interviewed...by Nick Robinson...
...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
Sorry to introduce a bit of whattaboutery and I'm no Corbyn fan but Boris is just as bad if not worse in this respect - 'Get Brexit Done, waffle waffle, Oven Ready, take phone of journalist and pocket it etc etc" ...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
The whole lot of them are a shambles.
Maybe Corbyn should start hiding in Fridges
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gen...
Edited by chrispmartha on Wednesday 11th December 09:21
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:
PFI started under John Major, and grew further under Blair. But Corbyn was never a supporter.Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:
What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
Evanivitch said:
Digga said:
Interesting take on the boy in Leeds hospital story on Twitter:
PFI started under John Major, and grew further under Blair. But Corbyn was never a supporter.Dawn Melvin on Twitter said:
What happened to this little boy is really awful. What @jeremycorbyn
isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
https://twitter.com/DawnWestgate/status/1204105274602217474isn’t telling you is that under labour this Leeds hospital with PFI borrowed £237m in 2002 paid back over 30 yrs,the amount they are paying back is £1.016bn!The annual interest is crippling them.Labours legacy
Digga said:
Smiler. said:
Just heard him being interviewed...by Nick Robinson...
...in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
The IRA sympathising is something which I hear from friends of various backgrounds. Obviously, just about anyone connected to the armed forces (in the UK, that's not the least bit uncommon) has this view, plus many in the police for the same reasons....in Carlisle.
Robinson asks:
Jeremy Corbyn, I've spent an hour talking to your cheerleaders here. They like you, but they say to me "it's a tough sell on the doorstep & someone is putting it about that you're a friend of terrorists, a friend of the IRA - how do you answer that, how do you deal with it?"
Corbyn replies:
I answer that by simply saying I wanna lead a government that will bring real security to people, real security of a decent job, a decent home & public services that matter & a government that's serious about dealing with the issues of cyber security & terrorism on thew worlds stage. It won't be a government that throws loose words around, is offensive to other people as this government & this Prime Minister have constantly been.
Every time, every single time I've ever heard him give an answer to a seriously awkward question, his response has been similar in nature.
Avoid answering it, guff, then evil Tories.
Every
Single
Time
I'm sure that same can be said by some for any MP or indeed treetop Civil Servant. For balance, I find myself yelling "answer the bloody question" frequently to government spokespersons for the same avoidance.
But Corbyn is facing awkward questions, the weight of which has never been seen before & he's never properly answered one of them.
Still, when you set yourself up as an alternative to the norm, it must be a constant drain to suddenly have to play the game by the rules which you've spent a lifetime flouting. The inner turmoil must be crippling. Unless that is, you're a snake oil salesman.
Then you have the anti-Semetism, which sits very awkwardly with many people, especially other minorities.
Then you have small business owners and sole traders, and people who are generally doing well and happy to pay tax, but not happy to be bleed dry, see the tax pissed up the wall and be made out as some sort of greedy pariahs to boot.
Then you have all of those who still wish to leave the EU, which let's face it, by any estimation is still a hell of a lot of people.
It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...
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