Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Flumpo said:
What are the trains like in Hong Kong? I got on a bus and a ferry there once and they were fantastic. The bus had more TVs than an aeroplane!
I would warmly welcome their tax rates too.
Public Transport is one of the few things in HK that is cheap. Everything else costs the earth, making it the most expensive city to live in the World. But at least they throw in free pollution from Mainland China.I would warmly welcome their tax rates too.
psi310398 said:
I generally have little time for James Delingpole but this, apropos the Guardian's endorsement of Corbyn, is amusing and on point:
' Much as we deplore his death camps we are persuaded that Herr Hitler’s mastery of train time tables, his ‘People’s car’ and his progressive environmental policies...’
https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole/status/1204752...
Wasn't it Mussolini who was the one who made the trains run on time, not Hitler?' Much as we deplore his death camps we are persuaded that Herr Hitler’s mastery of train time tables, his ‘People’s car’ and his progressive environmental policies...’
https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole/status/1204752...
.Munter said:
Why are Jeremy's/Putin's twitter army so upset that Laura Kuenssberg has just inadvertently encouraged Labour supporters to go and vote tomorrow to make up for the postal vote shortfall...
Because you can't vote in person if you have a postal vote. You can deliver your postal vote to the polling station... but no good if you had already decided not to vote and junked your postal vote...
kuro68k said:
Remember that BR was actually decent at one time. The 70s brought problems, and the 80s killed it.
It works well in other countries, there is no reason why it can't work well here... Except for the Tories who periodically get in and try to destroy it.
As someone with a (possibly slightly obsessive) interest in railway history, I can assure you that at no time was our nationalised railway system ever "decent". The entire history of British Railways / Rail was one of missed opportunities, inept investment decisions, endless reorganisations for no obvious reason, and the mis-spending of taxpayers' money on a scale only equalled by that other titan of socialist industry, British Leyland. We are very fortunate to still have any railways at all. Gerard Fiennes' "I Tried To Run a Railway" has recently been reprinted. Read it and weep.It works well in other countries, there is no reason why it can't work well here... Except for the Tories who periodically get in and try to destroy it.
230TE said:
kuro68k said:
Remember that BR was actually decent at one time. The 70s brought problems, and the 80s killed it.
It works well in other countries, there is no reason why it can't work well here... Except for the Tories who periodically get in and try to destroy it.
As someone with a (possibly slightly obsessive) interest in railway history, I can assure you that at no time was our nationalised railway system ever "decent". The entire history of British Railways / Rail was one of missed opportunities, inept investment decisions, endless reorganisations for no obvious reason, and the mis-spending of taxpayers' money on a scale only equalled by that other titan of socialist industry, British Leyland. We are very fortunate to still have any railways at all. Gerard Fiennes' "I Tried To Run a Railway" has recently been reprinted. Read it and weep.It works well in other countries, there is no reason why it can't work well here... Except for the Tories who periodically get in and try to destroy it.
andymadmak said:
Edited for brevity....when the time comes for investment it will be fudged in favour of spending the limited amount of cash available on vote grabbing stuff like more beds for the NHS or more free benefits for the people you want to bribe.
You can assert all you like, but the reality is that Government is crap at running big businesses and large organisations as a whole. The NHS is another example - apparently so fantastic that not a single other developed nation on the planet has copied it.
Two very good points Andy. Thing is, if Loony Labour were in power they would starve all state owned entities of investment. Power, water, broadband - you name it. It wouldn't just be the railways.You can assert all you like, but the reality is that Government is crap at running big businesses and large organisations as a whole. The NHS is another example - apparently so fantastic that not a single other developed nation on the planet has copied it.
Look at Labour's obsession with funding the NHS and "eliminating poverty". That's where the money would go, to buy votes.
Politicians will always divert investment into short term popular measures to bribe their voters. That is why important infrastructure like energy, water and so on should be free of politicians, especially loony Marxists, holding the purse strings.
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Andrew Philip Drummond-Murray (born 3 July 1958) commonly known as Andrew Murray, is a British trade union and Labour Party official, and activist. Murray was seconded from Unite to Labour headquarters for the 2017 general election, subsequently becoming an adviser to Jeremy Corbyn.
Born into an aristocratic Scottish family, Murray began his career as a journalist and later became a senior official for various trade unions.
After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016. He was chair of the Stop the War Coalition from its formation in 2001 until June 2011, and again from September 2015 to 2016.
Andrew Philip Drummond-Murray (born 3 July 1958) commonly known as Andrew Murray, is a British trade union and Labour Party official, and activist. Murray was seconded from Unite to Labour headquarters for the 2017 general election, subsequently becoming an adviser to Jeremy Corbyn.
Born into an aristocratic Scottish family, Murray began his career as a journalist and later became a senior official for various trade unions.
After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016. He was chair of the Stop the War Coalition from its formation in 2001 until June 2011, and again from September 2015 to 2016.
98elise said:
deadslow said:
Munter said:
Why are Jeremy's/Putin's twitter army so upset that Laura Kuenssberg has just inadvertently encouraged Labour supporters to go and vote tomorrow to make up for the postal vote shortfall...
its the Tory party which is owned by the Russians
ts do it for free, The Tories get paid for it.fblm said:
deadslow said:
fblm said:
deadslow said:
its the Tory party which is owned by the Russians
Yeah they tried communism but it didn't work out.vaud said:
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Andrew Philip Drummond-Murray (born 3 July 1958) commonly known as Andrew Murray, is a British trade union and Labour Party official, and activist. Murray was seconded from Unite to Labour headquarters for the 2017 general election, subsequently becoming an adviser to Jeremy Corbyn.
Born into an aristocratic Scottish family, Murray began his career as a journalist and later became a senior official for various trade unions.
After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016. He was chair of the Stop the War Coalition from its formation in 2001 until June 2011, and again from September 2015 to 2016.
So a moderate then ?Andrew Philip Drummond-Murray (born 3 July 1958) commonly known as Andrew Murray, is a British trade union and Labour Party official, and activist. Murray was seconded from Unite to Labour headquarters for the 2017 general election, subsequently becoming an adviser to Jeremy Corbyn.
Born into an aristocratic Scottish family, Murray began his career as a journalist and later became a senior official for various trade unions.
After forty years in the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and then the Communist Party of Britain, he joined the Labour Party towards the end of 2016. He was chair of the Stop the War Coalition from its formation in 2001 until June 2011, and again from September 2015 to 2016.
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