Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

[Graveworm]

Flumpo said:

Hong Kong

I have shares in it...

[Sway]

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

So, in summary, there isn't a single politically managed, decent, nationalised train system - despite the often repeated claim they're not unusual?

Hong Kong

Nope - just like all the other examples cited as being the model Labour would follow, it isn't.

Hong Kong's railways are operated by a publically listed company, acting as a proper corporation.

State is majority, but not sole, shareholder.

[Flumpo]

Graveworm said:

Flumpo said:

Hong Kong

I have shares in it...

I believe 75% state owned and run.

[Sway]

Graveworm said:

Flumpo said:

Hong Kong

I have shares in it...

[Flumpo]

Sway said:

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

So, in summary, there isn't a single politically managed, decent, nationalised train system - despite the often repeated claim they're not unusual?

Hong Kong

Nope - just like all the other examples cited as being the model Labour would follow, it isn't.

Hong Kong's railways are operated by a publically listed company, acting as a proper corporation.

State is majority, but not sole, shareholder.

That wasn’t the question! I have no doubt Corbyn et al would destroy the trians and be a disaster. But to the original question, this is an example of state run train.

[Graveworm]

Flumpo said:

That wasn’t the question! I have no doubt Corbyn et al would destroy the trians and be a disaster. But to the original question, this is an example of state run train.

The question was a politically run nationalised train company. This is neither. RBS isn't either despite the state owning a majority of the shares

Edited by Graveworm on Wednesday 11th December 19:17

[Sway]

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

So, in summary, there isn't a single politically managed, decent, nationalised train system - despite the often repeated claim they're not unusual?

Hong Kong

Nope - just like all the other examples cited as being the model Labour would follow, it isn't.

Hong Kong's railways are operated by a publically listed company, acting as a proper corporation.

State is majority, but not sole, shareholder.

That wasn’t the question! I have no doubt Corbyn et al would destroy the trians and be a disaster. But to the original question, this is an example of state run train.

Yes, it was...

[vaud]

Either way, it is hardly comparable in terms of scale vs UK/France/Germany, etc

[Flumpo]

Sway said:

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

Flumpo said:

Sway said:

So, in summary, there isn't a single politically managed, decent, nationalised train system - despite the often repeated claim they're not unusual?

Hong Kong

Nope - just like all the other examples cited as being the model Labour would follow, it isn't.

Hong Kong's railways are operated by a publically listed company, acting as a proper corporation.

State is majority, but not sole, shareholder.

That wasn’t the question! I have no doubt Corbyn et al would destroy the trians and be a disaster. But to the original question, this is an example of state run train.

Yes, it was...

Ok comrade.

[Dont like rolls]

"The state" will not run (BR) in the unlikely chance that Labour win, it WILL BE the unions that run it, and the fking country.

[Munter]

deadslow said:

Munter said:

Why are Jeremy's/Putin's twitter army so upset that Laura Kuenssberg has just inadvertently encouraged Labour supporters to go and vote tomorrow to make up for the postal vote shortfall...

its the Tory party which is owned by the Russians

And momentum? Which got a lot of support on social media at the time Russia decided to meddle in foreign politics on social media. Total coincidence that. No way that's connected.

Not to mention the "secret documents" linked to Russian accounts. Also total coincidence.

[Tango13]

AJL308 said:

Dont like rolls said:

Digga said:

It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...

My gut still tells me the polls are wrong and Labour will suffer badly, much more so than the polls are predicting.

I'll probably jinx it but I think you are correct. I'm getting the distinct feeling that they are going to be absolutely eviscerated. Lots of people I know who have been vocal Labour supporters for years and years are openly saying that they cannot vote for a Labour candidate and risk getting Corbyn as PM.

The usual very vocal, shouty suspects have been remarkably quiet on social media of late whereas the numbers of traditional usually quiet Tory types are being far more vocal about how utterly horrendous a Labour government would be. Virtually the sole comments from the left of late seem to consist of such things as vile Tory scum or similar with little actual promoting of Labour policies. They know they have lost.

I (cautiously) predict an absolute blood-bath for Labour.

I'm in mind of the Scotish independence referendum when the SNP were predicting a leave vote. Someone on here said it would be a 'stay' vote as there was a large silent block of voters that just didn't buy into Salmonds rhetoric.

I'm hoping there are a lot of people out there quietly disgusted with the anti semitism coming from the Labour party and will vote against them.

[vaud]

Tango13 said:

I'm in mind of the Scotish independence referendum when the SNP were predicting a leave vote. Someone on here said it would be a 'stay' vote as there was a large silent block of voters that just didn't buy into Salmonds rhetoric.

I'm hoping there are a lot of people out there quietly disgusted with the anti semitism coming from the Labour party and will vote against them.

Or just not vote. A stay at home Labour voter.

[Tony427]

Dont like rolls said:

Digga said:

It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...

My gut still tells me the polls are wrong and Labour will suffer badly, much more so than the polls are predicting.

Ditto.

[SpeckledJim]

Tony427 said:

Dont like rolls said:

Digga said:

It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...

My gut still tells me the polls are wrong and Labour will suffer badly, much more so than the polls are predicting.

Ditto.

Trippo

[MellowshipSlinky]

SpeckledJim said:

Tony427 said:

Dont like rolls said:

Digga said:

It amazes me, therefore, how well Labour are doing in the opinion polls so far...

My gut still tells me the polls are wrong and Labour will suffer badly, much more so than the polls are predicting.

Ditto.

Trippo

Didn’t we all (and the polls) think that last time?
Look what happened!

[Ganglandboss]

turbobloke said:

Earlier regarding rail nationalisation I said:

Legality: see FT, will it help: see Independent.

For folks without access to the FT, the essence of their point is that unless and until the UK is on the outside of a post-brexit transitionary period, ECHR legal barriers exist. The ECHR upholds the right of individuals and corporate entities to own property, alongside the right to appropriate financial compensation if property is acquired by the state including via nationalisation.

ECHR legal barriers will continue to exist after Brexit as it has nothing to do with the EU (although the EU does require member states to sign up to it). So as well as leaving the EU, a Corbyn government would also have to tear up the European Convention on Human Rights. Given the sh*t they have thrown at the Tories for proposing to replace the Human Rights Act, I cannot imagine how any such proposal would not cause a hell of a stink, or even be able to pass through Parliament.

[Gerradi]

The Torys are extremely lucky this guy did not step down .
IMO he is unelectable after the ridiculous statement regarding giving any terrorist PAROLE...they should ofcourse be given the rope!

[Vanden Saab]

Graveworm said:

Flumpo said:

Hong Kong

I have shares in it...

Only on PH... I love this place...

[Graveworm]

Vanden Saab said:

Graveworm said:

Flumpo said:

Hong Kong

I have shares in it...

Only on PH... I love this place...

it was looking like a very shrewd move, until the Summer .. I can't think what caused them to dip