Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Zirconia said:
Is teaching what happened worse than "when all the world was pink" halcyon days? I don't know what they teach now, not been in school for some years. I remember our class room with all the pink maps up. We won the war on our lonesome and all that.
The two history teachers I had the pleasure of listening to (that's what we did, mostly) were very up on Russia and down on the USA when discussing WW2. Around that time, I went on holiday to Hungary when it was still behind the iron curtain and the state-appointed tour guides sounded like my history teachers.Same teacher used to try and play little roleplay games with us toi show us how bad racism (etc.) was. One involved sending 25% of us on an errand to the library, the idea being the rest of the group would shun us on our return. Naturally we would then turn inwards - that's how minorities would behave, you see?
Except it was so glaringly obvious that this was going to be the trick that we just stayed in the library until he came to get us and - you guessed it - gave us a detention.
If he's still alive, he'll be voting Labourr.
Garvin said:
jonby said:
Garvin said:
jonby said:
I think that's a really good point
The reality is that Corbyn and his close cronies are perpetual protestors and have actually been reasonably effective at same, but that's very different to being in power
Their ideas were never going to stand the scrutiny of actually becoming legislation - they simply aren't workable in the real world
Well, quite. But they can do a lot of damage attempting to get these things to work before the obvious failure occurs - damage that potentially can’t be undone or will take a long, long time to work out of the system. I would rather they were not given the opportunity to try!The reality is that Corbyn and his close cronies are perpetual protestors and have actually been reasonably effective at same, but that's very different to being in power
Their ideas were never going to stand the scrutiny of actually becoming legislation - they simply aren't workable in the real world
I'm talking about the scrutiny they come under when preparing a manifesto, not coming into actual power
It would appear that for many voters, they have gone so far in their ambitions in the manifesto that people just take one look at it and realize it's a fantasy world. On top of that, even if the costings are to be believed, in just a few days since the manifesto was launched, they have admitted the broadband plan is not costed correctly and they have added the WASPI compensation which they admit is not costed or even factored in to the manifesto
The costings are, apparently, based on absolutely nothing changing i.e. nobody takes any action to mitigate the ‘onslaught’. I have news for Labour, this microcosm of one has already sorted out the mitigation action to minimise the effects of their promises so they can reduce their increased tax take by my small amount at least. I can’t imagine nobody else will do similar!
Garvin said:
The WASPI is costed and it is funded from the emergency funding bucket, that bucket that they say all governments have to deal with such things. After all it’s only a mere £58Bn and can be waved away with one hand!
Surely there are a festive five gold rings left in a box somewhere that can be sold off to pay for all this.Certainly the four calling birds, three French hens, two turtle doves and the partridge in a
How many days until the goose doing the laying gets the chop?
JustALooseScrew said:
Garvin said:
The WASPI is costed and it is funded from the emergency funding bucket, that bucket that they say all governments have to deal with such things. After all it’s only a mere £58Bn and can be waved away with one hand!
Surely there are a festive five gold rings left in a box somewhere that can be sold off to pay for all this.Certainly the four calling birds, three French hens, two turtle doves and the partridge in a
How many days until the goose doing the laying gets the chop?
Zirconia said:
Is teaching what happened worse than "when all the world was pink" halcyon days? I don't know what they teach now, not been in school for some years. I remember our class room with all the pink maps up. We won the war on our lonesome and all that.
The issue is whether it will be balanced and who is doing the teaching. George Orwell on the average British left wing intellectual is still relevant.Orwell said:
They take their cookery from Paris and their opinions from Moscow. In the
general patriotism of the country they form a sort of island of dissident
thought. England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals
are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always
felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman
and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse
racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably
true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of
standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a
poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping
away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes
squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always
anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it
certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a
real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they
were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual
sabotage from the Left was partly responsible. Both the New Statesmen and
the News Chronicle cried out against the Munich settlement, but even they
had done something to make it possible. Ten years of systematic
Blimp-baiting affected even the Blimps themselves and made it harder than
it had been before to get intelligent young men to enter the armed
forces. Given the stagnation of the Empire, the military middle class
must have decayed in any case, but the spread of a shallow Leftism
hastened the process.
A balanced history of the empire would be fine. 
t or bust regarding deflection for anti-semitism.Shakermaker said:
£10 hourly wage on a 32 hour week is £8.40 per week less than the current minimum wage of £8.21 on a 40 hour week.
Have I missed anyone else pointing this out?
Pretty sure that what will happen is that the weekly pay will be 40 hours @ £10 but only 32 hours will have to be worked. Hey presto, minimum wage now £12.50!Have I missed anyone else pointing this out?
Garvin said:
Exactly!
The costings are, apparently, based on absolutely nothing changing i.e. nobody takes any action to mitigate the ‘onslaught’. I have news for Labour, this microcosm of one has already sorted out the mitigation action to minimise the effects of their promises so they can reduce their increased tax take by my small amount at least. I can’t imagine nobody else will do similar!
The WASPI is costed and it is funded from the emergency funding bucket, that bucket that they say all governments have to deal with such things. After all it’s only a mere £58Bn and can be waved away with one hand!
I'm sure that Diane has costed everything, no doubt to somewhere between 50p and £1trillion, but what they probably haven't got is how this cost will be funded. They have just declared that the costs will be funded by taxing the "rich", whether this be individuals or companies is irrelevant. The fact that several of the largest utility companies have just moved offshore to stop privatisation, and no doubt individuals are doing the same, plus, the possibility that the likes of FaceBook and Amazon may just decide that the UK is no longer core to their market and stop allowing UK access if it means that they aren't treated like some sacrificial cash cow, magic money tree, is completely irrelevant. The "rich" will pay.The costings are, apparently, based on absolutely nothing changing i.e. nobody takes any action to mitigate the ‘onslaught’. I have news for Labour, this microcosm of one has already sorted out the mitigation action to minimise the effects of their promises so they can reduce their increased tax take by my small amount at least. I can’t imagine nobody else will do similar!
The WASPI is costed and it is funded from the emergency funding bucket, that bucket that they say all governments have to deal with such things. After all it’s only a mere £58Bn and can be waved away with one hand!
oop north said:
Shakermaker said:
£10 hourly wage on a 32 hour week is £8.40 per week less than the current minimum wage of £8.21 on a 40 hour week.
Have I missed anyone else pointing this out?
Pretty sure that what will happen is that the weekly pay will be 40 hours @ £10 but only 32 hours will have to be worked. Hey presto, minimum wage now £12.50!Have I missed anyone else pointing this out?
deadslow said:
she's run away with JRM, who has also disappeared
Good point actuallyBut its as if some are being deliberately hidden away. I get that Labour have lost Tom Watson who was a bit quotable but DA is muted. Thornberry might as well be shopping for corsets as she is nowhere to be seen
]Rayner seems to be popping up a lot.
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