Shootings on London Bridge

[IanH755]

Dont like rolls said:

The whole thing leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth

The fact his first priority is to be angry at Boris rather show any anger towards the person who killed his son amazes me and I find the way he's using his sons death and his reaction to Boris just as a way to be kept in the news very distastful.

However "grief" can have a strange effect on people and perhaps this is just his way of dealing with events.

[Keoparakolo]

IanH755 said:

Dont like rolls said:

The whole thing leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth

The fact his first priority is to be angry at Boris rather show any anger towards the person who killed his son amazes me and I find the way he's using his sons death and his reaction to Boris just as a way to be kept in the news very distastful.

However "grief" can have a strange effect on people and perhaps this is just his way of dealing with events.

Give it a rest. That comment was made over two weeks ago and blaming the father has been done too many times on this thread and remains extremely distasteful.

[bitchstewie]

Keoparakolo said:

Give it a rest. That comment was made over two weeks ago and blaming the father has been done too many times on this thread and remains extremely distasteful.

Pretty much this.

I was hoping people may be "pleased" if that's an appropriate word to use in the circumstances to see people rewarded for their heroic actions on the bridge that day rather than seeing it as an excuse to pile in on the father again.

Imagine the Christmas day his family and the family of Saskia Jones have just had.

Maybe something to think about.

[jakesmith]

bhstewie said:

Keoparakolo said:

Give it a rest. That comment was made over two weeks ago and blaming the father has been done too many times on this thread and remains extremely distasteful.

Pretty much this.

I was hoping people may be "pleased" if that's an appropriate word to use in the circumstances to see people rewarded for their heroic actions on the bridge that day rather than seeing it as an excuse to pile in on the father again.

Imagine the Christmas day his family and the family of Saskia Jones have just had.

Maybe something to think about.

I don't totally disagree with the sentiment of your post however this is a discussion forum and I don't see a 'pile in', the father's behavior is odd IMO and worthy of comment. It's the only time in his life he will have a media platform an appears to be massively politicising his son's death in a way that would be condemned were it to be a politician in fact BoJo did not do well out of it, it happened his ignorance was only superseded by Corbyn who could not resist linking it to the Iraq episode launched by his own party last decade.

Just looked on the WIkipedia entry for the Usman Khan, the terrorist responsible for the event and was disappointed to see that not only did 'a large number of people attend his funeral' in Pakistan but also graffiti supporting him saying 'Usman Khan Call 4 Justice' appeared on many walls in Stoke following his death.

I'm sure you'll join me in condemning all of these events?

[Keoparakolo]

jakesmith said:

I don't totally disagree with the sentiment of your post however this is a discussion forum and I don't see a 'pile in', the father's behavior is odd IMO and worthy of comment. It's the only time in his life he will have a media platform an appears to be massively politicising his son's death in a way that would be condemned were it to be a politician in fact BoJo did not do well out of it, it happened his ignorance was only superseded by Corbyn who could not resist linking it to the Iraq episode launched by his own party last decade.

Just looked on the WIkipedia entry for the Usman Khan, the terrorist responsible for the event and was disappointed to see that not only did 'a large number of people attend his funeral' in Pakistan but also graffiti supporting him saying 'Usman Khan Call 4 Justice' appeared on many walls in Stoke following his death.

I'm sure you'll join me in condemning all of these events?

Yes, anyone supporting the terrorist is a prick.

Now let’s see you condemn anyone attacking the father, rather than condoning it, or passively supporting it.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I think if the father is going to be as overtly political as he was, especially during an election campaign then he has to expect criticism.

I can't imagine anyone not having great sympathy for him as a grieving father but not as a political commentator.

Perhaps he feels he is doing right by his son's memory and that may well be true in so far as his son clearly believed in rehabilitation of offenders. However I also suspect that a mix of story hungry journalists and campaigners with an axe to grind will be putting their oar in too, and using his grief as a lever. As I imagine happened with Brendan Cox.

[bitchstewie]

jakesmith said:

I don't totally disagree with the sentiment of your post however this is a discussion forum and I don't see a 'pile in', the father's behavior is odd IMO and worthy of comment. It's the only time in his life he will have a media platform an appears to be massively politicising his son's death in a way that would be condemned were it to be a politician in fact BoJo did not do well out of it, it happened his ignorance was only superseded by Corbyn who could not resist linking it to the Iraq episode launched by his own party last decade.

Just looked on the WIkipedia entry for the Usman Khan, the terrorist responsible for the event and was disappointed to see that not only did 'a large number of people attend his funeral' in Pakistan but also graffiti supporting him saying 'Usman Khan Call 4 Justice' appeared on many walls in Stoke following his death.

I'm sure you'll join me in condemning all of these events?

When your son is killed and politicians from the major parties see it as an opportunity to win points in an election campaign I think Dave Merritt has the right to speak his mind.

He's better placed than anyone on here to know what his son thought and would have wanted.

And yes anyone supporting the terrorist is a dhead.

Like I said not really the conversation I was intending but some people had queried if the people who tackled the terrorist would receive an award.

[Keoparakolo]

Great, looks like we’re doing this again. fking disgraceful, some people have no shame.

[McGee_22]

Keoparakolo said:

Great, looks like we’re doing this again. fking disgraceful, some people have no shame.

Even with nearly two months attendance under your belt you might have figured out that PH is a place for anyone to give their opinionon pretty much any subject, however unpalatable you may find it; you might evn call it 'free speech' for want of a throwaway expression.

Criticising other peoples points of view with profanity and name calling will earn your own reputation, as I suspect it already has...

...as well as endlessly tiring you out as you find more and more to shout and scream at, just because you don't agree with it.

[Keoparakolo]

McGee_22 said:

Even with nearly two months attendance under your belt you might have figured out that PH is a place for anyone to give their opinionon pretty much any subject, however unpalatable you may find it; you might evn call it 'free speech' for want of a throwaway expression.

Criticising other peoples points of view with profanity and name calling will earn your own reputation, as I suspect it already has...

...as well as endlessly tiring you out as you find more and more to shout and scream at, just because you don't agree with it.

Justify it all you like, it’s disgraceful

What if I said Usman Khan has been unfairly treated, the people who attacked him were out of order and the police should be fully investigated and prosecuted for a cold blooded execution in broad daylight. Obviously, I don’t hold those views, but I’m pretty certain if I wrote them anywhere on here our]raise this discussion, I would be sworn at, abused, probably reported and quite possibly banned. Most, if not all, would find it thoroughly distasteful. Yet somehow, it’s acceptable to continually attack the father of one of the victims simply because he doesn’t share your, or others political views. That should be totally unacceptable, but sadly it isn’t. Instead, it’s a chance for the echo chamber to shout loudly, pat each other on the back and see who can be the most ignorant.

As I said, disgraceful.

[McGee_22]

Keoparakolo said:

Another rant

You really should learn to read before you rant; that high blood pressure and ulcer isn't going to be helped with all this stress you're heaping upon yourself.

Happy Christmas!

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Keoparakolo said:

Justify it all you like, it’s disgraceful

What if I said Usman Khan has been unfairly treated, the people who attacked him were out of order and the police should be fully investigated and prosecuted for a cold blooded execution in broad daylight. Obviously, I don’t hold those views, but I’m pretty certain if I wrote them anywhere on here our]raise this discussion, I would be sworn at, abused, probably reported and quite possibly banned. Most, if not all, would find it thoroughly distasteful. Yet somehow, it’s acceptable to continually attack the father of one of the victims simply because he doesn’t share your, or others political views. That should be totally unacceptable, but sadly it isn’t. Instead, it’s a chance for the echo chamber to shout loudly, pat each other on the back and see who can be the most ignorant.

As I said, disgraceful.

What sort of comparison is that?

Speaking only for myself, if you could give any reason at all for thinking that then I would certainly be interested to hear it. If there was no reason to think that then it would just be silly.

[stitched]

Keoparakolo said:

Great, looks like we’re doing this again. fking disgraceful, some people have no shame.

I agree wholeheartedly,
Would you mind closing the door on your way out hon.

[biggbn]

As I recall, the father requested his sons death not be politicised, a request ignored by first Johnson then corbyn. A poor show by both major parties, if entirely unsurprising. Wherefore decency when political points are to be gained?

[Keoparakolo]

McGee_22 said:

You really should learn to read before you rant; that high blood pressure and ulcer isn't going to be helped with all this stress you're heaping upon yourself.

Happy Christmas!

I don’t have either. I’m happily chilled out here thanks doc. Seems you and the mob have returned to shout loudly though.

I stand by comments.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

biggbn said:

As I recall, the father requested his sons death not be politicised, a request ignored by first Johnson then corbyn. A poor show by both major parties, if entirely unsurprising. Wherefore decency when political points are to be gained?

It's all very well to say you don't want it politicised but when you start wading into an election campaign with a tweet like this it rings a bit hollow:



ETA If that is his genuine Twitter account and I haven't been fake newsed. I'm not sure how to tell?

Edited by JuanCarlosFandango on Thursday 26th December 17:57

[biggbn]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

biggbn said:

As I recall, the father requested his sons death not be politicised, a request ignored by first Johnson then corbyn. A poor show by both major parties, if entirely unsurprising. Wherefore decency when political points are to be gained?

It's all very well to say you don't want it politicised but when you start wading into an election campaign with a tweet like this it rings a bit hollow:

I agree, but this was after his requests had been ignored, most notably initially by Johnson. One reaps what one sows, why should he sat silently by the sidelines when his requests was so easily ignored? I completely understand his subsequent actions.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

I agree, but this was after his requests had been ignored, most notably initially by Johnson. One reaps what one sows, why should he sat silently by the sidelines when his requests was so easily ignored? I completely understand his subsequent actions.

It’s called dignity and rising above disgusting opportunists like Johnson and the even more deplorable Corbyn who actually blamed his own party in a ‘I told you so’ Twitter post.

[jakesmith]

bhstewie said:

When your son is killed and politicians from the major parties see it as an opportunity to win points in an election campaign I think Dave Merritt has the right to speak his mind.

He's better placed than anyone on here to know what his son thought and would have wanted.

And yes anyone supporting the terrorist is a dhead.

Like I said not really the conversation I was intending but some people had queried if the people who tackled the terrorist would receive an award.

Did he
A) speak his mind
B) speak his mind and add in a load of utterly irrelevant material that was a rehash of previous tweets he sent criticising The Conservatives.

It is more nuanced than you are making out.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

If he had said don't vote for the cynical and manipulative git who politicised my son's death that would be more understandable. Saying he was a Labour voter who was going to vote Lib Dem for the good of public services is pretty directly politicising his death in my book.

I can't possibly imagine what he must have been thinking and feeling then, so I'm not damning him as a villain, but I don't think you can make posts like that and not expect some criticism.