Shootings on London Bridge
Discussion
Keoparakolo said:
Justify it all you like, it’s disgraceful
What if I said Usman Khan has been unfairly treated, the people who attacked him were out of order and the police should be fully investigated and prosecuted for a cold blooded execution in broad daylight. Obviously, I don’t hold those views, but I’m pretty certain if I wrote them anywhere on here our]raise this discussion, I would be sworn at, abused, probably reported and quite possibly banned. Most, if not all, would find it thoroughly distasteful. Yet somehow, it’s acceptable to continually attack the father of one of the victims simply because he doesn’t share your, or others political views. That should be totally unacceptable, but sadly it isn’t. Instead, it’s a chance for the echo chamber to shout loudly, pat each other on the back and see who can be the most ignorant.
As I said, disgraceful.
This is called a discussion, they happen and often people have different opinions What if I said Usman Khan has been unfairly treated, the people who attacked him were out of order and the police should be fully investigated and prosecuted for a cold blooded execution in broad daylight. Obviously, I don’t hold those views, but I’m pretty certain if I wrote them anywhere on here our]raise this discussion, I would be sworn at, abused, probably reported and quite possibly banned. Most, if not all, would find it thoroughly distasteful. Yet somehow, it’s acceptable to continually attack the father of one of the victims simply because he doesn’t share your, or others political views. That should be totally unacceptable, but sadly it isn’t. Instead, it’s a chance for the echo chamber to shout loudly, pat each other on the back and see who can be the most ignorant.
As I said, disgraceful.
You’re welcome to your opinion and can present your views. If you can’t do it without calling people names and issuing blanket moral judgements then you’ll not convince anyone.
No one has been ‘attacked’ other than by you
jakesmith said:
This is called a discussion, they happen and often people have different opinions
You’re welcome to your opinion and can present your views. If you can’t do it without calling people names and issuing blanket moral judgements then you’ll not convince anyone.
No one has been ‘attacked’ other than by you
Has the father posted anything in the past few weeks about this? Anything at all? A single tweet?You’re welcome to your opinion and can present your views. If you can’t do it without calling people names and issuing blanket moral judgements then you’ll not convince anyone.
No one has been ‘attacked’ other than by you
Nope
Yet here we are weeks later still banging on about him and criticising him. Yes it’s not a full on attack, but it appears little here is that explicit, it’s the usual dancing around the edges saying things but thinly veiling them to try claim a veneer of respectability.
It’s the festive period. He is no doubt grieving and suffering his first Christmas since his son was murdered and we’re going over old news and laying into him. That shows the mentality of some on here very clearly.
A lot of you don’t like it because whereas some are too cowardly to explicitly say what you’re thinking, I’m not. I stand by my comments that many people on here are a disgrace and can’t see beyond the end of their noses. and like to play “who can out right wing the other”, whilst hiding behind “it’s a discussion / we’re debating it / free speech” etc is ridiculous
Edited by Keoparakolo on Thursday 26th December 18:35
I and most on here have no problems expressing myself. Sorry you don’t agree with it all or find the concept of you not being the moral authority on a subject, upsetting.
If you think that people questioning your view equals ‘right wing’ then you just show that you have no clue about modern politics.
If you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with you then you’re the disgrace.
If you think that people questioning your view equals ‘right wing’ then you just show that you have no clue about modern politics.
If you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with you then you’re the disgrace.
jakesmith said:
biggbn said:
I agree, but this was after his requests had been ignored, most notably initially by Johnson. One reaps what one sows, why should he sat silently by the sidelines when his requests was so easily ignored? I completely understand his subsequent actions.
It’s called dignity and rising above disgusting opportunists like Johnson and the even more deplorable Corbyn who actually blamed his own party in a ‘I told you so’ Twitter post. jakesmith said:
I and most on here have no problems expressing myself. Sorry you don’t agree with it all or find the concept of you not being the moral authority on a subject, upsetting.
If you think that people questioning your view equals ‘right wing’ then you just show that you have no clue about modern politics.
If you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with you then you’re the disgrace.
The first paragraph is nonsense. I don’t find it upsetting I find I distasteful, deplorable, disgusting but I’m not upset by it. I don’t believe I am the moral compass, but I believe that I’ve more of a sense of morality than many of you on here based on the posts I’ve read in this thread. I’m not even vaguely upset that I’m not the moral compass, see above for my views. However to steal the style so loved on here you seem very offended that I won’t agree with you on your views. What makes you the moral compass?If you think that people questioning your view equals ‘right wing’ then you just show that you have no clue about modern politics.
If you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with you then you’re the disgrace.
People can question me all they like, it’s just not happened here. Instead statements have been made, judgements passed and none of them reflect me at all. The right wing comments are simply because those laying into the father are doing so for one reason and one reason alone. Any child could see that, so little point in denying it. If he’d come out demanding death sentences be reintroduced you’d be championing him for a Knighthood.
Modern politics is very simple. Don’t say or do anything, avoid any chance that your manifesto could be critiqued and just attack your opponent personally. No substance, no value, just ad homs
You seem to have taken my comment that some on here are a disgrace very personally. I suppose if the cap fits.
Keoparakolo said:
The first paragraph is nonsense. I don’t find it upsetting I find I distasteful, deplorable, disgusting but I’m not upset by it. I don’t believe I am the moral compass, but I believe that I’ve more of a sense of morality than many of you on here based on the posts I’ve read in this thread. I’m not even vaguely upset that I’m not the moral compass, see above for my views. However to steal the style so loved on here you seem very offended that I won’t agree with you on your views. What makes you the moral compass?
People can question me all they like, it’s just not happened here. Instead statements have been made, judgements passed and none of them reflect me at all. The right wing comments are simply because those laying into the father are doing so for one reason and one reason alone. Any child could see that, so little point in denying it. If he’d come out demanding death sentences be reintroduced you’d be championing him for a Knighthood.
Modern politics is very simple. Don’t say or do anything, avoid any chance that your manifesto could be critiqued and just attack your opponent personally. No substance, no value, just ad homs
You seem to have taken my comment that some on here are a disgrace very personally. I suppose if the cap fits.
You are just trying, by using profanity and insults, and not actually reading what others have written, to stifle any debate or discussion.People can question me all they like, it’s just not happened here. Instead statements have been made, judgements passed and none of them reflect me at all. The right wing comments are simply because those laying into the father are doing so for one reason and one reason alone. Any child could see that, so little point in denying it. If he’d come out demanding death sentences be reintroduced you’d be championing him for a Knighthood.
Modern politics is very simple. Don’t say or do anything, avoid any chance that your manifesto could be critiqued and just attack your opponent personally. No substance, no value, just ad homs
You seem to have taken my comment that some on here are a disgrace very personally. I suppose if the cap fits.
Keoparakolo said:
Modern politics is very simple. Don’t say or do anything, avoid any chance that your manifesto could be critiqued and just attack your opponent personally. No substance, no value, just ad homs
Wasn't the recent election fought almost entirely on one very important policy? By two leaders who are neither popular nor trusted?McGee_22 said:
You are just trying, by using profanity and insults, and not actually reading what others have written, to stifle any debate or discussion.
I'm not seeing any profanity. Nor any attempts to stifle debate. The whole "you're trying to stifle debate" line is almost universally b
ks anyway. There's some profanity for you.JuanCarlosFandango said:
Wasn't the recent election fought almost entirely on one very important policy? By two leaders who are neither popular nor trusted?
It was by several parties. One tried to discuss other policies and so was attacked for what they once said / did (which was pretty poor). jakesmith said:
Well I hope you feel better having got that off your chest but you’ve unlikely had any other impact that that with your childish rant. Thanks
I think you mean that what I’ve written is something that if you try and argue against it will pretty much prove the points I’m making, so you went staring for the ad hom and proved the point anyway. Well done
Oh, I see you’ve failed to condemn those blaming the father despite others taking up your challenge and thoroughly condemning terrorist s and anyone who supports them.
Silence can speak volumes.
Keoparakolo said:
It was by several parties. One tried to discuss other policies and so was attacked for what they once said / did (which was pretty poor).
So it was all just ad homs and personality except for having a concrete policy on the biggest issue in British politics for half a century, while Labour promised free broadband and the Lib Dems promised denial?JuanCarlosFandango said:
So it was all just ad homs and personality except for having a concrete policy on the biggest issue in British politics for half a century, while Labour promised free broadband and the Lib Dems promised denial?
A General Election should be fought on more than one policy. He will have delivered the exit by the end of next month. He will have 4years 11months left of his term. Are you happy for him and the government as a whole to do nothing in that time? Anyway this is completely irrelevant and I’m not going down the route of look over there squirrels.
As I said at the time. I don't agree with the fathers tweetings. But I will give him the massive benefit of the doubt as he was clearly in very understandable shock / grief after the very public, very violent death or his son. His son is now known globally. That cannot be easy to process. Especially when you factor in the worlds media camping on the pavement outside the various parties homes.
To get back to the point about rewarding the people that took the fight to the terrorist. Seems fair enough. Though of course some will point out that the recipients were not the nicest people in the world before. But maybe there are times when you need a bad person to do the right, but horrible things.
To get back to the point about rewarding the people that took the fight to the terrorist. Seems fair enough. Though of course some will point out that the recipients were not the nicest people in the world before. But maybe there are times when you need a bad person to do the right, but horrible things.
S1KRR said:
As I said at the time. I don't agree with the fathers tweetings. But I will give him the massive benefit of the doubt as he was clearly in very understandable shock / grief after the very public, very violent death or his son. His son is now known globally. That cannot be easy to process. Especially when you factor in the worlds media camping on the pavement outside the various parties homes.
To get back to the point about rewarding the people that took the fight to the terrorist. Seems fair enough. Though of course some will point out that the recipients were not the nicest people in the world before. But maybe there are times when you need a bad person to do the right, but horrible things.
Sensible post. To get back to the point about rewarding the people that took the fight to the terrorist. Seems fair enough. Though of course some will point out that the recipients were not the nicest people in the world before. But maybe there are times when you need a bad person to do the right, but horrible things.
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