Shootings on London Bridge
Discussion
Keoparakolo said:
I think you mean that what I’ve written is something that if you try and argue against it will pretty much prove the points I’m making, so you went staring for the ad hom and proved the point anyway.
Well done
Oh, I see you’ve failed to condemn those blaming the father despite others taking up your challenge and thoroughly condemning terrorist s and anyone who supports them.
Silence can speak volumes.
OK, I think you have won the argument here, in the same way that Labour won the argument 2 weeks ago. Well done
Oh, I see you’ve failed to condemn those blaming the father despite others taking up your challenge and thoroughly condemning terrorist s and anyone who supports them.
Silence can speak volumes.
I’ll condemn anyone blaming the father for any of the events that took place. I may have missed it. I’m not going to condemn anyone questioning the fathers tweets as I find them unpalatable.
Keoparakolo said:
A General Election should be fought on more than one policy. He will have delivered the exit by the end of next month. He will have 4years 11months left of his term. Are you happy for him and the government as a whole to do nothing in that time?
Anyway this is completely irrelevant and I’m not going down the route of look over there squirrels.
As a fan of the Reaganite idea that one of the most terrifying phrases in the English language is "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" I can think of many worse things for the government to do than nothing. Deliver Brexit, and leave everything else well alone.Anyway this is completely irrelevant and I’m not going down the route of look over there squirrels.
Of course there things I would prefer them to actually do, mostly undoing things that previous governments have helped with. But there are many worse things for them to do than nothing. Labour helpfully provided a list of some of them.
Anyway the point was that the election was not fought entirely on personality and flim flam but on a real, substantial policy which the Tories were only too happy to discuss and voters cared about.
Sooner or later I think the British left are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that they don't have a right to win every major decision.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Keoparakolo said:
A General Election should be fought on more than one policy. He will have delivered the exit by the end of next month. He will have 4years 11months left of his term. Are you happy for him and the government as a whole to do nothing in that time?
Anyway this is completely irrelevant and I’m not going down the route of look over there squirrels.
As a fan of the Reaganite idea that one of the most terrifying phrases in the English language is "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" I can think of many worse things for the government to do than nothing. Deliver Brexit, and leave everything else well alone.Anyway this is completely irrelevant and I’m not going down the route of look over there squirrels.
Of course there things I would prefer them to actually do, mostly undoing things that previous governments have helped with. But there are many worse things for them to do than nothing. Labour helpfully provided a list of some of them.
Anyway the point was that the election was not fought entirely on personality and flim flam but on a real, substantial policy which the Tories were only too happy to discuss and voters cared about.
Sooner or later I think the British left are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that they don't have a right to win every major decision.
lyonspride said:
Doesn't mean they can't frustrate everything the govt tries to do, and hold the country to ransom JUST because they don't like Boris. I predict failure for the conservative govt, because the left will do exactly as they've done to Trump in America, they'll keep attacking and taking everything BJ does out of context, running it through the press and causing outrage.
What mechanism would they use to frustrate the actions of a majority government?Re press, that is right biased in the first place also it had no impact on the existing government’s sucess
jakesmith said:
lyonspride said:
Doesn't mean they can't frustrate everything the govt tries to do, and hold the country to ransom JUST because they don't like Boris. I predict failure for the conservative govt, because the left will do exactly as they've done to Trump in America, they'll keep attacking and taking everything BJ does out of context, running it through the press and causing outrage.
What mechanism would they use to frustrate the actions of a majority government?Re press, that is right biased in the first place also it had no impact on the existing government’s sucess
lyonspride said:
By constantly muddying the waters, as they have with Brexit, all the lies and the fear mongering, the press/media, project fear, etc etc. The media are verging on extreme far left, because that's where most of them come from.
How well did it work for them in this election?Oppositions should exert pressure on governments and should be part of the narrative.
Wanting a government that is not questioned, openly challenged or held to account...well, be careful what you wish for.
As for frustrating government, good luck with that. The existence and scale of the majority enjoyed by the government means the executive is unlikely to be too frustrated unless it veers too far from where it should.
lyonspride said:
jakesmith said:
lyonspride said:
Doesn't mean they can't frustrate everything the govt tries to do, and hold the country to ransom JUST because they don't like Boris. I predict failure for the conservative govt, because the left will do exactly as they've done to Trump in America, they'll keep attacking and taking everything BJ does out of context, running it through the press and causing outrage.
What mechanism would they use to frustrate the actions of a majority government?Re press, that is right biased in the first place also it had no impact on the existing government’s sucess
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hstewie said:
At least his victim’s family back this move.hstewie said:Rubbish reporting! The bloke has not been pardoned. He has had his tariff reduced so that he comes up for Parole early. A good decision, it appears.
Double rubbish! Mr Gallant did not receive a "17 year sentence". He received a mandatory life sentence. The custody tariff was set at 17 years.
Some would wish that Mr Gallant had been executed, but he wasn't, and instead he appears to have been rehabbed.
Double rubbish! Mr Gallant did not receive a "17 year sentence". He received a mandatory life sentence. The custody tariff was set at 17 years.
Some would wish that Mr Gallant had been executed, but he wasn't, and instead he appears to have been rehabbed.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 18th October 08:09
So someone who was imprisoned for fatally beating someone is deemed rehabilitated because he whacked another prisoner who had gone on a killing spree while attending a rehabilitation course.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right st show to me.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right s
t show to me.JuanCarlosFandango said:
So someone who was imprisoned for fatally beating someone is deemed rehabilitated because he whacked another prisoner who had gone on a killing spree while attending a rehabilitation course.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right st show to me.
From the reports at the time and now he has been a model prisoner and reformed himself whilst trying to help others inside. He then challenged the attacker.I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right s
t show to me.It's a good news story from two bad ones and a bit of a result.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
So someone who was imprisoned for fatally beating someone is deemed rehabilitated because he whacked another prisoner who had gone on a killing spree while attending a rehabilitation course.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right st show to me.
Not "because". You have chosen to read the story like a tabloid headline writer. Seriously, have a look at the actual story.I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right s
t show to me.JuanCarlosFandango said:
So someone who was imprisoned for fatally beating someone is deemed rehabilitated because he whacked another prisoner who had gone on a killing spree while attending a rehabilitation course.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right st show to me.
Well in the first event he was the killer and there was a victim. In the second event he and others were victims and he chose to put himself in harms way to prevent further death (you might argue he had a taste for killing and wanted another go but I doubt it).I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right s
t show to me.I also suspect other observations have been made which indicate he is low risk.
So I don't object to this he will still be on licence for the rest of his life.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
So someone who was imprisoned for fatally beating someone is deemed rehabilitated because he whacked another prisoner who had gone on a killing spree while attending a rehabilitation course.
I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right st show to me.
From the reports at the time and now he has been a model prisoner and reformed himself whilst trying to help others inside. He then challenged the attacker.I'm sure learned people can cite important studies explaining why all this makes sense but it sounds like a right s
t show to me.It's a good news story from two bad ones and a bit of a result.
The report linked quotes the Ministry of Justice as saying the Queen was advised to grant a pardon as a result of his exceptionally brave actions.
He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
Sentence should have been increased if you ask me. 
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
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