Shootings on London Bridge
Discussion
kestral said:
Sentence should have been increased if you ask me. 
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Yeah he just has a taste for killing clearly lolHe clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
JuanCarlosFandango said:
The report linked quotes the Ministry of Justice as saying the Queen was advised to grant a pardon as a result of his exceptionally brave actions.
He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
All that has happened is that his application for release on licence has been brought forward by ten months. He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
Vindictive emotions are not a great basis for penal policy, but the capital punishment/throw away the key enthusiasts will never be convinced of that. .
Gecko1978 said:
kestral said:
Sentence should have been increased if you ask me.
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Yeah he just has a taste for killing clearly lolHe clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Breadvan72 said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
The report linked quotes the Ministry of Justice as saying the Queen was advised to grant a pardon as a result of his exceptionally brave actions.
He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
All that has happened is that his application for release on licence has been brought forward by ten months. He might well be a model citizen and brave hero who risked his life to save others. He is also still a convicted killer who will be released for whacking someone.
I suspect this is just a bit of spin and he would have been released anyway, but someone sees an opportunity for a feel good story.
Vindictive emotions are not a great basis for penal policy, but the capital punishment/throw away the key enthusiasts will never be convinced of that. .
Breadvan72 said:
Gecko1978 said:
kestral said:
Sentence should have been increased if you ask me.
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Yeah he just has a taste for killing clearly lolHe clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Breadvan72 said:
Gecko1978 said:
kestral said:
Sentence should have been increased if you ask me.
He clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Yeah he just has a taste for killing clearly lolHe clearly has a propensity for severe violence in any situation.
To suggets that some form of bravery was involved is plain stupidity, the guy just likes fighting anyone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4422200....
Breadvan72 said:
All that has happened is that his application for release on licence has been brought forward by ten months.
The Guardian doesn't think that's all that happened. The article says Queen was asked to grant a pardon for his exceptional bravery. The first time that has happened in 25 years.I'm not actually saying categorically that he should have been hanged or locked away forever. It just seems like a strange and sad sequence of events spun into a positive story.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
The Guardian doesn't think that's all that happened. The article says Queen was asked to grant a pardon for his exceptional bravery. The first time that has happened in 25 years.
I'm not actually saying categorically that he should have been hanged or locked away forever. It just seems like a strange and sad sequence of events spun into a positive story.
The Guardian reporter appears very clueless and has mangled the facts. I'm not actually saying categorically that he should have been hanged or locked away forever. It just seems like a strange and sad sequence of events spun into a positive story.
What about the guy with the whale tusk? I don’t feel he’s had proper recognition tbh.
The Glasgow airport worker John ‘Smeato’ Smeaton who clotheslined the airport terrorists became a local hero and minor celebrity for a while. He even got a medal.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-new...
The Glasgow airport worker John ‘Smeato’ Smeaton who clotheslined the airport terrorists became a local hero and minor celebrity for a while. He even got a medal.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-new...
The glaring omission is any mention of house prices, but since all the main protagonists are either dead or in prison it's hard to know where to direct my ire and who to praise. Even the Mail is stumped
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851485/Q...
It does have a nice picture of the Queen, but with a severe, no nonsense face suggesting that even she is torn.
What a time to be alive.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851485/Q...
It does have a nice picture of the Queen, but with a severe, no nonsense face suggesting that even she is torn.
What a time to be alive.
greygoose said:
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hstewie said:
At least his victim’s family back this move.hstewie said:
Fair play to the family.
It seems the murder back in 2005 was some kind of vigilante attack.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...
Other than his original crime, is he the villain because he attacked a non-white person or is being anti-terror (eg Maajid Nawaz) simply dismissed as right-wing?
Because I am seeing ordinarily very liberal people suggesting his actions were a sign that he has not been reformed and should not receive an early release. These are the same people who would suggest that the actions of a terrorist were not their own, and not an indication of their character and would and argue for reduced sentances or early release on that basis.
Because I am seeing ordinarily very liberal people suggesting his actions were a sign that he has not been reformed and should not receive an early release. These are the same people who would suggest that the actions of a terrorist were not their own, and not an indication of their character and would and argue for reduced sentances or early release on that basis.
R Mutt said:
Other than his original crime, is he the villain because he attacked a non-white person or is being anti-terror (eg Maajid Nawaz) simply dismissed as right-wing?
Because I am seeing ordinarily very liberal people suggesting his actions were a sign that he has not been reformed and should not receive an early release. These are the same people who would suggest that the actions of a terrorist were not their own, and not an indication of their character and would and argue for reduced sentances or early release on that basis.
It’s an interesting debate about the nature of criminality or other behaviour which is detrimental to society and how much is due to our circumstances and the role of rehabilitation and how much criminals can be reformed. Because I am seeing ordinarily very liberal people suggesting his actions were a sign that he has not been reformed and should not receive an early release. These are the same people who would suggest that the actions of a terrorist were not their own, and not an indication of their character and would and argue for reduced sentances or early release on that basis.
Either way it looks like the guy pardoned has shown signs of rehabilitation and the parents of his victim agree so seems a fair result.
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