Sally Ann Hart says disabled people should be paid less
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Tory election candidate says disabled people should be paid less as they ‘don’t understand money’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
Halb said:
Tory election candidate says disabled people should be paid less as they ‘don’t understand money’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
To be fair, although the title of the topic and the article says "disabled people" (which makes you think "in a wheelchair" or similar) she actually says "some people with learning difficulties", which - knowing nothing about the background of the story or much about that field - doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
Halb said:
Tory election candidate says disabled people should be paid less as they ‘don’t understand money’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
That's a big constituency.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
daddy cool said:
To be fair, although the title of the topic and the article says "disabled people" (which makes you think "in a wheelchair" or similar) she actually says "some people with learning difficulties", which - knowing nothing about the background of the story or much about that field - doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
People with learning difficulties should be paid less for the same job?
daddy cool said:
To be fair, although the title of the topic and the article says "disabled people" (which makes you think "in a wheelchair" or similar) she actually says "some people with learning difficulties", which - knowing nothing about the background of the story or much about that field - doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
Well it is an article published by a mendacious organisation whose name is even an oxymoron.Mind you, I think there is a bit of Mr Logic in her personality https://viz.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Logic
Halb said:
Tory election candidate says disabled people should be paid less as they ‘don’t understand money’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
This is what happens when you purge all of the moderates - hardly a surprise when you're left with a bunch of nutters.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
Brexit Party Mk2?
She was defending sharing this article;
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
otolith said:
She was defending sharing this article;
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
But look at the original posters MO. Its not really surprising that he would post a link to one painting her in the worst possible light.https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
Halb said:
daddy cool said:
To be fair, although the title of the topic and the article says "disabled people" (which makes you think "in a wheelchair" or similar) she actually says "some people with learning difficulties", which - knowing nothing about the background of the story or much about that field - doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
People with learning difficulties should be paid less for the same job?As a father of a disabled son (hidden disability - Autism), who does not understand the value of money, he would be much happier being paid "pocket money" doing odd jobs and learning new skills (He's a great cook) rather than being forced to be paid the minimum wage as that would lead to him never working. He does need someone to assist him sometimes depending on surroundings.
What's best? Being paid a little to expand skills and enjoy what he does or not having the chance of learning work skills as no-one would pay him the full rate?
I'll choose the former as it makes him happier and gives him a better range of skills.
What's best? Being paid a little to expand skills and enjoy what he does or not having the chance of learning work skills as no-one would pay him the full rate?
I'll choose the former as it makes him happier and gives him a better range of skills.
Scotty2 said:
As a father of a disabled son (hidden disability - Autism), who does not understand the value of money, he would be much happier being paid "pocket money" doing odd jobs and learning new skills (He's a great cook) rather than being forced to be paid the minimum wage as that would lead to him never working. He does need someone to assist him sometimes depending on surroundings.
What's best? Being paid a little to expand skills and enjoy what he does or not having the chance of learning work skills as no-one would pay him the full rate?
I'll choose the former as it makes him happier and gives him a better range of skills.
Oi, don't you come on here with your rational thoughts and real life experience! Shame on you!What's best? Being paid a little to expand skills and enjoy what he does or not having the chance of learning work skills as no-one would pay him the full rate?
I'll choose the former as it makes him happier and gives him a better range of skills.
But seriously, I'm getting fed up with all the players in this election deliberately twisting others' words, or selectively quoting out of context. If you read the article in The Spectator it pretty much contradicts the clickbait title that the OP used for this thread.
Halb said:
Tory election candidate says disabled people should be paid less as they ‘don’t understand money’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
I don't think she stands a chance she'd do better in Hastings and Rye mind you.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/con...
Who thinks she'll take Hastings and Wye?
As usual the story has been misrepresented as have her quotes, usual tactic from the left leaning press.
Ms Hart, who is also a councillor on Rother District Council, later said: "I was trying to emphasise that more needs to be done to help those with learning disabilities into the workplace and having properly paid work.
"I did not say anyone should be paid less."
Hart has apologised, not sure why, but it seems bullying usually works in getting submission.
I'm sure someone will arrive shortly on their 15 hand steed expressing the usual outrage and condemning the evil Tories
otolith said:
She was defending sharing this article;
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
I've read the spectator article. Thank you for your logical, unbiased, informative input (as opposed to usual suspects)https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-minimum-wa...
It is being reported as "Tory candidate says disabled people should be paid less" when the article is actually about "people with learning disabilities who can't earn the NMW should still be allowed to work if they want to".
Now it may be that Sally Ann Hart likes the idea because she wants to send people with learning disabilities up chimneys instead of paying them welfare, but she doesn't seem to have said anything like that.
Some people think that the work done by those with learning difficulties are not 'worth' the same as those without. I don't agree there. I think the spectator does it's way of pushing it's point of view well enough, with different reasons as to why one would back a lowering of the minimum wage, but I disagree with them. I don't see the devaluing of the work done because of who is doing it as a valid/moral way of thinking, because fundamentally it puts money first.
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