Brillo calls out BoJo

[Crafty_]

tim0409 said:

Crafty_ said:

Its because Johnson is incapable of talking about anything except "get brexit done", he literally can not have a conversation without repeating those words over and over while completely ignoring the rest of the conversation.

The Tories will have spent a fortune on focus groups, and the clear message that resonated will have been "get Brexit done"; I agree that it's annoying but it must be working for them otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. Boris has been surprisingly good at staying on message.

hmm not sure, I think its his "strong and stable".

He's going to win, but thats more about the idiocy on the left than it is any positive aspect of his capability. Look at the threads here, scores of tory supporters suggesting we vote Boris to keep Corbyn out. Thats all, nothing along the lines of Boris delivering a better society / economy or anything else, just the fact he isn't Corbyn.

[Ayahuasca]

Red 4 said:

Ayahuasca said:

Red 4 said:

Most people would prefer a steady job with full employments rights.

Any research to back that assertion?

Silly me. You're right. Most people prefer sporadic work with fewer rights in law. What was I thinking ?
Note to self - must try harder.

You mean like being a professional, self-employed or running your own business?

[Cold]

"Two thirds of those on zero hours contracts are happy with this arrangement."

https://iea.org.uk/media/two-thirds-of-people-on-z...

and

Fact Check.
Claim: The Taylor Review found that 58% of people working on zero hour contracts did not want more hours.

Conclusion: Incorrect, it was actually 68%, which refers to people on the contracts who’ve specified a view of their hours. It’s 57% if you include people who didn’t specify a view. Newer official figures put the same figures at around 72% and 63% respectively.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-many-people-zero-...

[Cantaloupe]

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Although the BBC hating SNP would dispute this.

[Mobile Chicane]

Cantaloupe said:

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Although the BBC hating SNP would dispute this.

The BBC. Pro left wing. Really?

[ChocolateFrog]

Gary29 said:

Why does AN think he's billy big bks? Surely any other journo/correspondent is just as capable as grilling BJ as him?

If I were BJ I'd have told him to fk off as well.

Largely this. AN putting himself up as some sort of elect ability arbiter.

Bojo has absolutely nothing to gain. Everyone that would actually tune in to watch has made their mind up already. The rest would only see the headline cockup the next day.

[bitchstewie]

Cantaloupe said:

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Bit of a odd thing to say.

Did he give Corbyn an easy time?

[ChocolateFrog]

Crafty_ said:

hmm not sure, I think its his "strong and stable".

He's going to win, but thats more about the idiocy on the left than it is any positive aspect of his capability. Look at the threads here, scores of tory supporters suggesting we vote Boris to keep Corbyn out. Thats all, nothing along the lines of Boris delivering a better society / economy or anything else, just the fact he isn't Corbyn.

Those are the options.

We can bh and moan but the option is Boris or Corbyn.

And fk Corbyn.

[chow pan toon]

Cantaloupe said:

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Although the BBC hating SNP would dispute this.

Yeah, he really soft pedalled Corbyn.

[ChocolateFrog]

chow pan toon said:

Cantaloupe said:

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Although the BBC hating SNP would dispute this.

Yeah, he really soft pedalled Corbyn.

Those of a moderate left wing persuasion hate his ideologies too.

[Halb]

Touring442 said:

The Tory party I used to know and love ended probably 20 years ago. What we have now is a pack of venal animals, the most utterly disgusting creatures in politics.

What happened/changed?

[Keoparakolo]

ChocolateFrog said:

Those are the options.

We can bh and moan but the option is Boris or Corbyn.

And fk Corbyn.

Do people actually understand how a general election works? The amount who seem to think it’s purely a referendum on Johnson or Corbyn astounds me. I wonder how many will be completely bamboozled when they get their voting slip and it has more than two options and none of them are Johnson or Corbyn.

[Agammemnon]

Red 4 said:

Who says people on zero hour contracts are happy ?

I do. Evidence for this is personal experience & that of friends/colleaugues

Nevertheless, my original question was in what way ZH contracts are immoral. Even allowing for differences in moral compasses I can't see any immorality in any arrangement where all involved parties are happy.

[voyds9]

Halb said:

Touring442 said:

The Tory party I used to know and love ended probably 20 years ago. What we have now is a pack of venal animals, the most utterly disgusting creatures in politics.

What happened/changed?

It became obvious I was sold a lie of work hard better yourself and you will be better off.

They only let you get so far and then the taxes ramp up and benefits drop so you have to keep working. Yes you have a better standard of life but it is nearly impossible to stack up enough wealth that you can retire early and well.

[Cold]

Agammemnon said:

Red 4 said:

Who says people on zero hour contracts are happy ?

I do. Evidence for this is personal experience & that of friends/colleaugues

Nevertheless, my original question was in what way ZH contracts are immoral. Even allowing for differences in moral compasses I can't see any immorality in any arrangement where all involved parties are happy.

Seems to have been swallowed up a bit and I know it's poor form to quote yourself,

But earlier I said:

"Two thirds of those on zero hours contracts are happy with this arrangement."

https://iea.org.uk/media/two-thirds-of-people-on-z...

and

Fact Check.
Claim: The Taylor Review found that 58% of people working on zero hour contracts did not want more hours.

Conclusion: Incorrect, it was actually 68%, which refers to people on the contracts who’ve specified a view of their hours. It’s 57% if you include people who didn’t specify a view. Newer official figures put the same figures at around 72% and 63% respectively.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-many-people-zero-...

[Zirconia]

Keoparakolo said:

Do people actually understand how a general election works? The amount who seem to think it’s purely a referendum on Johnson or Corbyn astounds me. I wonder how many will be completely bamboozled when they get their voting slip and it has more than two options and none of them are Johnson or Corbyn.

I just hope there is enough lead in my pencil to get the drawing in.

[epom]

Ayahuasca said:

What has Boris to gain from appearing on the AN show?

He has no need to appear.

He would have nothing to lose either, if every single sentence that came out of his mouth wasn’t a complete lie. He is a proven liar. He is proven as untrustworthy. He is leading your country. Can’t understand how anyone could vote for him. Some mess.

[greygoose]

ChocolateFrog said:

chow pan toon said:

Cantaloupe said:

I doubt his no-show will lose Boris much votes, most of the population know the BBC is keen to give left leaning parties an easy time..

Although the BBC hating SNP would dispute this.

Yeah, he really soft pedalled Corbyn.

Those of a moderate left wing persuasion hate his ideologies too.

Do you mean that you think Andrew Neil is of a moderate left wing persuasion?

[Trophy Husband]

Agammemnon said:

Red 4 said:

Who says people on zero hour contracts are happy ?

I do. Evidence for this is personal experience & that of friends/colleaugues

Nevertheless, my original question was in what way ZH contracts are immoral. Even allowing for differences in moral compasses I can't see any immorality in any arrangement where all involved parties are happy.

There are lies, more lies and damned statistics.
It is piece work by another name and probably worse.
Perhaps, please go with me on this, the 'statistics' reflect the fact that people on zero hours contracts are just happy to have work? Any work?
It is a massive subjugation of rights foregone by the employee, sorry, worker. As I said, it may well suit you and I have no idea of what you do or your personal situation or motivations for choosing a ZH contract, or if indeed it was a choice you made or an imposition by your employer if they are indeed an employer in the sense I understand that to be in my world.

I employ people to provide everything that they need to support themselves and their families and have an interest in ensuring that they are secure enough to do that, week in and week out.

ZH contracts in essence are a vehicle created by companies to maximise profit and minimise wages.

Companies that use them have a greater sense of duty to faceless shareholders than they do to their slaves.

They should be illegal and they are in my mind.

I'm guessing you may be earning some pin money to augment a pension?

Forgive me if my assumption is off the mark.

You could of course explain why, personally, for you they/it are/is good?

[Agammemnon]

Trophy Husband said:

There are lies, more lies and damned statistics.
It is piece work by another name and probably worse.
Perhaps, please go with me on this, the 'statistics' reflect the fact that people on zero hours contracts are just happy to have work? Any work?

In some cases perhaps- not in mine. If you have anything to support this theory then please go ahead.

Trophy Husband said:

It is a massive subjugation of rights foregone by the employee, sorry, worker.

I think of myself as a contractor.

Trophy Husband said:

I have no idea of what you do or your personal situation or motivations for choosing a ZH contract, or if indeed it was a choice you made or an imposition by your employer if they are indeed an employer in the sense I understand that to be in my world.

I'm a contractor of my own free will & work for various clients (note not employers).

Trophy Husband said:

ZH contracts in essence are a vehicle created by companies to maximise profit and minimise wages.

I wasn't aware of this- where do you get that information?

Trophy Husband said:

Companies that use them have a greater sense of duty to faceless shareholders than they do to their slaves.

I'm sure the companies are obeying the law in their obligations to both shareholders & ZH employees/contractors.

Trophy Husband said:

They should be illegal and they are in my mind.

Why illegal if everyone is happy? I don't accept your presumed right to dictate my conditions of earning a living. Have you ever got a decorator/handyman/gardener/babysitter, etc? Many people do. Do you feel that babysitters should be on employment contracts with fixed hours & remuneration?

Trophy Husband said:

I'm guessing you may be earning some pin money to augment a pension?
Forgive me if my assumption is off the mark.

Completely wrong but no apology necessary.

Trophy Husband said:

You could of course explain why, personally, for you they/it are/is good?

I work when I want & for whom I want. The trade-off for not having employee rights is better payscales. I disagree with anyone wishing to remove my conditions of employment due to some presumed morality.