Election 2019 V2

[i4got]

jsf said:

V6 Pushfit said:

She’s on a roll after the results and probably wants to do a st or bust now.

BJ saying no will delay this and time will mean less impetus from Mrs Rab C

I am going to call this now.

The SNP will get a kicking in the next Scottish parliament election.

If Boris said - if you get more than 50% of the vote in the next election I'll consider giving you a referendum - that would allow the Scottish No campaigners a chance to show their disdain for another indyref.

[pingu393]

Smiler. said:

Bloody hell !

https://twitter.com/i/status/1205859214360481792

Warning: sweary

She might want to fk Boris, but I'm reliably informed that he prefers blondes.

[FrenchCarFan]

Someone who understands life, the world and er life?

https://mobile.twitter.com/richardosman/status/120...

[Smollet]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

B'stard Child said:

Now I know I'm on the "right" politically but that doesn't mean that I am right I think Johnathan Pie summed it up quite well

https://youtu.be/G0nIhL4v6bY

He is right about the insults and not understanding, but then he still rants on about how evil Boris is and what a disaster he will be for the country. Comparing Boris with Harold Shipman FFS. I know it is meant to be comedy, and I use the term comedy losely, but come on....this type of mindset is the problem.

Agreed there was a certain amount of irony in it. I’ve always said if you don’t engage with people outside of your bubble other than with insults don’t be surprised if your bubble bursts.

[bitchstewie]

PRTVR said:

bhstewie said:

hutchst said:

Do you think that demonstrating while wearing a T-shirt printed with "Kill the Tories" should be lawful?

No.

I think I've made it perfectly and repeatedly clear that if any laws have been broken I've no issue with the Police taking whatever action they feel is appropriate.

I don't agree with the sentiment that laws need changing simply because people might dare to demonstrate against a government.

I agree, there has to be legal limitations, how would we feel about the protesters in Hongkong being rounded up if they stepped out onto the streets.

I think that's the point though isn't it?

If we saw that kind of thing happening in China or Russia we'd call it a crackdown on dissent by a brutal regime.

Something to reflect on for anyone calling for that sort of thing here.

[crankedup]

psi310398 said:

buckline said:

This is a good thing in my opinion. Labours cash cow will make sure they double down on their
election promises, Labour will elect a new leader to carry those through.

They’ll be unelectable for decades to come if the Conservatives move more to the centre.

Happy days.

Hmm.

In my view, ineffective opposition rather quickly leads to poor government. We are hardly awash with talent as it stands and removing effective scrutiny will not improve that situation.

Looking at the abuse that MPs have received, and still are, it’s not surprising that people are steering clear of politics. The hard left mostly young people need to take a close look at themselves and how they conduct their politics. For the vast majority we cannot allow a small minority to bully their politics into the U.K.

[crankedup]

Robertj21a said:

anonymous said:

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I agree that we must have a strong opposition. The only realistic way in which I can see that can now be achieved is by forming a splinter group of the moderate socialist MPs, under a 'sensible' leader.

Agreed, definitely needs a New Labour to come out of the ashes leaving ‘Momentum’ to go their own way (into oblivion hopefully). Not splitting away consigns Labour to the dustbin.

[S1KRR]

crankedup said:

Agreed, definitely needs a New Labour to come out of the ashes leaving ‘Momentum’ to go their own way (into oblivion hopefully). Not splitting away consigns Labour to the dustbin.

Was it after the defeat in 2010 or 2015 that they decided that being Centre left, against Camerons centerist Conservatives, was a losing strategy?

[anonymous-user]

Simonium said:

I think it’s time I grew up a bit.

Don’t be hard on yourself

[Derek Smith]

S1KRR said:

crankedup said:

Agreed, definitely needs a New Labour to come out of the ashes leaving ‘Momentum’ to go their own way (into oblivion hopefully). Not splitting away consigns Labour to the dustbin.

Was it after the defeat in 2010 or 2015 that they decided that being Centre left, against Camerons centerist Conservatives, was a losing strategy?

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

[Tuna]

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

Should've gone to Specsavers.

[Brave Fart]

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

Did the Tories move to the right, really? I remember watching Theresa Mays 2015 speech outside Downing Street; she was speaking about inclusivity and "those just about getting by" and I thought it was actually rather Blairite in tone. Looking at the current Tory manifesto, it's full of promises about funding public services, raising the minimum wage, increasing the NI threshold, and strikes me as centrist, not at all right wing.

For clarity, I don't see Brexit as right wing either, and nor do the voters in the Red Wall seats, it seems.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, but I have a feeling that Boris is not right leaning at all. Time will tell.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

The Tories moved to the centre ground under Boris. How can you not see that?

[turbobloke]

jsf said:

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

The Tories moved to the centre ground under Boris. How can you not see that?

Doesn't want to?

[Vanden Saab]

jsf said:

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

The Tories moved to the centre ground under Boris. How can you not see that?

Because brexit... No really... Despite labour losing a bunch of seats in their heartlands remainers still insist brexit is a far right plot...

[don'tbesilly]

jsf said:

Derek Smith said:

Even if Cameron was centrist, which I doubt can be a justified claim under any criteria, the labour party did pretty well, reducing the tories to a minority government. Under Corbyn, the party moved left as the tory party moved right. No one is in the centre now.

The Tories moved to the centre ground under Boris. How can you not see that?

It's funny how the Remainers are now telling us that Johnson can ignore the far right of the party - the ERG, and at the same time suggesting that his (Johnson) Brexit policy is going to get softer, and in the case of DS (above), Johnson will have the country stay in the CU.

It's denial just on a slightly different stance.

[crankedup]

S1KRR said:

crankedup said:

Agreed, definitely needs a New Labour to come out of the ashes leaving ‘Momentum’ to go their own way (into oblivion hopefully). Not splitting away consigns Labour to the dustbin.

Was it after the defeat in 2010 or 2015 that they decided that being Centre left, against Camerons centerist Conservatives, was a losing strategy?

I do recall that many were bemoaning the lack of political differences between Labour and Conservatives, no doubt about that.
That Corbyn was then elected leader of Labour 2015 and then allowed/ encouraged hard left ideological politics to take over from the moderate Labour MPs is what has done them. This together with their stupid abandonment of their heartland voters, what on earth were they thinking and doing.Although that abandonment was apparently ongoing for 15/20 years.
The U.K. has the fifth largest economy in the World, a standard of living envied by many, see how many immigrants wanted access. And yet Labour decided that to go all out Socialist would be a vote winner, not to mention their far fetched confusion on brexit.
They have a lot of soul searching and hard work to rebuild the Party, personally I see it splitting into two distinct Parties and that is what I hope for, as a Conservative.

[230TE]

I was idly browsing through the election results by constituency and noticed something which I haven't seen mentioned much if at all. These Tory victories in Northern and Midlands traditional working class industrial seats have been portrayed as if the Tories have somehow magically overturned huge Labour majorities in places no-one could ever have imagined them winning. But if you look at the 2017 results there are an awful lot of those places where the Conservatives finished a close second. The Beast of Bolsover's majority was only just over 5,000. Ashfield (rundown ex-mining area) had Labour only about 500 votes in front. Don Valley was just over 5,000 and that's a part of the UK which used to be near enough Communist. This isn't a sudden cataclysmic event: it's been building for a while, it's just that on a constituency basis in a GE, no-one pays much attention to who finished second. Labour is like a huge old tree that has gone rotten at the base of the trunk: no-one notices there is a problem until it falls over.

[anonymous-user]

The old working man of heavy industries died when i left school in 1982. Its taken until now to play out fully.

Kids wouldn't dream of doing a hard day's graft like their grandparents did, they have better choices available.

[MiniMan64]

It’s amazing how many Labour politicians/Twitterers/journalists have all the answers after their arse has been kicked.

“The Corbynites lost because for all their liberal pretensions, they hate working Britain. And working Britain reciprocates. A sense of patriotism. A strong work ethic. A pride in community and of place.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7792825...

Edited by MiniMan64 on Sunday 15th December 17:44