Election 2019 V2
Discussion
klootzak said:
Excellent. Glad we're agreed that there IS a right to protest, even if qualified.
k
We never disagreed. Were you hoping that I was some kind of authoritarian neo-fascist who wants to crush all dissent with tanks? If so you got the wrong guy, and that led you to misinterpret my original post. Others have explained further: there is no argument to be had here, unless you think the right of masked-up self-styled anarchists to throw bricks at police officers is a basic human right.k
230TE said:
We never disagreed. Were you hoping that I was some kind of authoritarian neo-fascist who wants to crush all dissent with tanks? If so you got the wrong guy, and that led you to misinterpret my original post. Others have explained further: there is no argument to be had here, unless you think the right of masked-up self-styled anarchists to throw bricks at police officers is a basic human right.
Not at all, but you did sound - just a touch - like that’s where you were going.Lovely that you weren’t though.
k
loafer123 said:
crankedup said:
Deepend has put an appearance in, deluded as ever. As for the other posters, chopper, slasher and
others I cannot recall, oblivion.
Are they sulking, or now looking for new jobs?others I cannot recall, oblivion.
parhelion said:
A key Levido/Cummings strategy that hobbled Corbyn is being rolled out in America now – https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1205654463484...
Bernie appears on pressTV and has many friends in Hamas & Hezbollah and has senior colleagues giving speeches about zionism being the enemy of peace? Janluke said:
Lord.Vader said:
In the pub last night and tried to have a discussion about the result.
Rather than any discussion, Tory Scum / Racist / Blood on your hands, etc.
Disappointing, fanatical in their support for Corbyn and just repeating what their echo chambers say / repeat on Facebook / Twitter, fundamentally stupid, no thoughts other than to repeat what social media had told them.
Friday morning a couple of my Facebook pals posted up epic rants that ended with "If you're reading this and voted Tory you can fRather than any discussion, Tory Scum / Racist / Blood on your hands, etc.
Disappointing, fanatical in their support for Corbyn and just repeating what their echo chambers say / repeat on Facebook / Twitter, fundamentally stupid, no thoughts other than to repeat what social media had told them.
k off from my friends list". I took them at their word and happily defriended them. One of them has just PMed me to ask if he can borrow my van tomorrow to pick up a bike! Guess what?I wanted to explain to him that when you surround yourself with people who share the same fantasies then of course labour were on to win over 500 seats. Sadly for him the “many” actually voted conservative
I decided though someone like that will never listen to reason so will let him take 5 years to figure it out.
ecsrobin said:
Janluke said:
Lord.Vader said:
In the pub last night and tried to have a discussion about the result.
Rather than any discussion, Tory Scum / Racist / Blood on your hands, etc.
Disappointing, fanatical in their support for Corbyn and just repeating what their echo chambers say / repeat on Facebook / Twitter, fundamentally stupid, no thoughts other than to repeat what social media had told them.
Friday morning a couple of my Facebook pals posted up epic rants that ended with "If you're reading this and voted Tory you can fRather than any discussion, Tory Scum / Racist / Blood on your hands, etc.
Disappointing, fanatical in their support for Corbyn and just repeating what their echo chambers say / repeat on Facebook / Twitter, fundamentally stupid, no thoughts other than to repeat what social media had told them.
k off from my friends list". I took them at their word and happily defriended them. One of them has just PMed me to ask if he can borrow my van tomorrow to pick up a bike! Guess what?I wanted to explain to him that when you surround yourself with people who share the same fantasies then of course labour were on to win over 500 seats. Sadly for him the “many” actually voted conservative
I decided though someone like that will never listen to reason so will let him take 5 years to figure it out.
wsurfa said:
parhelion said:
A key Levido/Cummings strategy that hobbled Corbyn is being rolled out in America now – https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1205654463484...
Bernie appears on pressTV and has many friends in Hamas & Hezbollah and has senior colleagues giving speeches about zionism being the enemy of peace? bhstewie said:
hstewie said: How difficult is it? 
Want to protest lawfully and peacefully that's fine with me.
Want to protest wearing a tee shirt saying kill whoever and quite happy for the Police to take action.
Want people hauling off who are protesting lawfully and peacefully simply because "we've had an election" and that isn't fine.
That doesn't seem a particularly unusual position.
I took your response Want to protest lawfully and peacefully that's fine with me.
Want to protest wearing a tee shirt saying kill whoever and quite happy for the Police to take action.
Want people hauling off who are protesting lawfully and peacefully simply because "we've had an election" and that isn't fine.
That doesn't seem a particularly unusual position.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: we'd call it a crackdown on dissent by a brutal regime.
as a reference to the T-shirt question. If I misunderstood or took it out of context then fair enough.From Tom Holland re Bercow on Twitter: "The greatest joy for a man is to defeat his enemies, drive them before him, take from them all they possess, see those they love in tears, ride their horses, hold their wives & daughters in his arms & reduce them to appearing on Italian game shows."
https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/12064672016...
https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/12064672016...
Blackpuddin said:
ettore said:
Blackpuddin said:
Both parties now complaining that the BBC was biased against them. 
Interesting isn’t it. I actually think this is ultimately more about the piss poor quality of the coverage, particularly hyper-aggressive interviewing, obsession with the trivial and general car crashes like the Bruce-era QT.Quality is enormously diminished and tone is shrill, harsh and unnecessary (with some exceptions).
Media needs to buck up IMO and provide much better, nuanced, coverage.
Firstly, everything is condensed into simple soundbites. Multi-dimensional, complex issues are presented as having simple solutions. They never do. Politicians have been trained to do this by the media - the media wants to summarise everything as our attention spans are so short.
The politicians pander to that as they want the eye-catching headline, the 5 sec clip at the beginning of the news.
Secondly, politics has become ridiculously divided. When have you heard any politician agree with a policy that one of their opponents has implemented or is floating? It never happens. All they do is shout that the other party is wrong or to blame. Never that they have some good ideas that just need tweaking.
So you have ridiculous soundbites that can be pulled apart by the interviewers and politicians shouting at each other.
psi310398 said:
From Tom Holland re Bercow on Twitter: "The greatest joy for a man is to defeat his enemies, drive them before him, take from them all they possess, see those they love in tears, ride their horses, hold their wives & daughters in his arms & reduce them to appearing on Italian game shows."
https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/12064672016...
from the Twitter commentshttps://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/12064672016...
"Dance dwarf! Dance for us!"
Otispunkmeyer said:
Had cause to use FB this morning to get hold of someone.... couldn't help a quick peruse of the feed.
Jesus. H. Christ.
They're still whinging about the result. Pages of it.
Its done now, they need to get on with life. This is why this lot will never amount to anything, they're too hung up on what happened to give thought to whats happening now and what is going to happen next. It will literally pass them by and they'll be in the same place in 5 years time complaining about the same things. People like that will never run the country because they simply won't give themselves the opportunity to do so.
Their dear leader hasn't won, in fact, didn't even come close and most of the country are dumb fks for not voting for him. They can only converse in anger and spittle and they don't realise that most people simply don't listen to it (and haven't), because why should they? Its not nice, its not endearing, its not conducive to constructive conversation. Its petulant and childish.
It's just a continuation of the behaviour that started the day after EURef2016. There was no consideration of why they lost, or any intention to review the situation which led up to folks feeling 'left behind', not even a "lessons will be learnt" brush off. How many times was the observation made along the lines of "they still don't get it."Jesus. H. Christ.
They're still whinging about the result. Pages of it.
Its done now, they need to get on with life. This is why this lot will never amount to anything, they're too hung up on what happened to give thought to whats happening now and what is going to happen next. It will literally pass them by and they'll be in the same place in 5 years time complaining about the same things. People like that will never run the country because they simply won't give themselves the opportunity to do so.
Their dear leader hasn't won, in fact, didn't even come close and most of the country are dumb f
ks for not voting for him. They can only converse in anger and spittle and they don't realise that most people simply don't listen to it (and haven't), because why should they? Its not nice, its not endearing, its not conducive to constructive conversation. Its petulant and childish. Unless there is a radical change in Labour or a split and realignment creating a new centre-left party 'they still won't get it' in 5 or 10 years. Boris, assuming he intends to make the shift he's promised needs 10 years imo, if he gets zero effective opposition I worry where the Conservatives will go without some restraint.
FiF said:
It's just a continuation of the behaviour that started the day after EURef2016. There was no consideration of why they lost, or any intention to review the situation which led up to folks feeling 'left behind', not even a "lessons will be learnt" brush off. How many times was the observation made along the lines of "they still don't get it."
Unless there is a radical change in Labour or a split and realignment creating a new centre-left party 'they still won't get it' in 5 or 10 years. Boris, assuming he intends to make the shift he's promised needs 10 years imo, if he gets zero effective opposition I worry where the Conservatives will go without some restraint.
Presumably you or I might “still not get” why they’re unhappy or why so many supported Corbyn and why these Marxist policies have millions of people supporting them? Unless there is a radical change in Labour or a split and realignment creating a new centre-left party 'they still won't get it' in 5 or 10 years. Boris, assuming he intends to make the shift he's promised needs 10 years imo, if he gets zero effective opposition I worry where the Conservatives will go without some restraint.
I think most people can see that parts of the country are getting left behind or feel disenfranchised or have issues that have been ignored but they’ve been ignored by all parties not just remainers or lefties or May or Cameron.
If people are angry and feel ignored, brexit or labour being trashed isn’t likely to actually help them in any real way. The conservatives have been in power for nine years, if there’s been ignoring going on, all parties have been doing it.
El stovey said:
FiF said:
It's just a continuation of the behaviour that started the day after EURef2016. There was no consideration of why they lost, or any intention to review the situation which led up to folks feeling 'left behind', not even a "lessons will be learnt" brush off. How many times was the observation made along the lines of "they still don't get it."
Unless there is a radical change in Labour or a split and realignment creating a new centre-left party 'they still won't get it' in 5 or 10 years. Boris, assuming he intends to make the shift he's promised needs 10 years imo, if he gets zero effective opposition I worry where the Conservatives will go without some restraint.
Presumably you or I might “still not get” why they’re unhappy or why so many supported Corbyn and why these Marxist policies have millions of people supporting them? Unless there is a radical change in Labour or a split and realignment creating a new centre-left party 'they still won't get it' in 5 or 10 years. Boris, assuming he intends to make the shift he's promised needs 10 years imo, if he gets zero effective opposition I worry where the Conservatives will go without some restraint.
I think most people can see that parts of the country are getting left behind or feel disenfranchised or have issues that have been ignored but they’ve been ignored by all parties not just remainers or lefties or May or Cameron.
If people are angry and feel ignored, brexit or labour being trashed isn’t likely to actually help them in any real way. The conservatives have been in power for nine years, if there’s been ignoring going on, all parties have been doing it.
Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
Thornberry now suing Flint :haha:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...
"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"
Pot , meet Kettle!
Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...
"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"
Pot , meet Kettle!
Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
Wombat3 said:
Thornberry now suing Flint :haha:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...
"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"
Pot , meet Kettle!
Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
The internal recriminations have a long way to run...https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...
"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"
Pot , meet Kettle!
Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
Wombat3 said:
Except that the Conservatives haven't really been in power at all - everything since 2010 has either been watered down, compromised or massively overshadowed by Brexit. In addition to that they have had to pick their way through & try & rebuild from the rubble from Blair & Brown's economic mismanagement (which started way before 2008).
Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
So labour are responsible for everything that happened during their time in charge (even though there was a global financial crisis) Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
But any failure of the conservatives is due to the coalition and brexit (Cameron’s plan) and the previous labour government?
Sounds like if it goes wrong for Boris it will be the fault of brexit and the EU and labour still?
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