Election 2019 V2

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turbobloke

104,025 posts

261 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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El stovey said:
Wombat3 said:
Except that the Conservatives haven't really been in power at all - everything since 2010 has either been watered down, compromised or massively overshadowed by Brexit. In addition to that they have had to pick their way through & try & rebuild from the rubble from Blair & Brown's economic mismanagement (which started way before 2008).

Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
So labour are responsible for everything that happened during their time in charge (even though there was a global financial crisis)

But any failure of the conservatives is due to the coalition and brexit (Cameron’s plan) and the previous labour government?

Sounds like if it goes wrong for Boris it will be the fault of brexit and the EU and labour still?
While I get it, how many years back was Thatcher PM?

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Wombat3 said:
Thornberry now suing Flint :haha:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...

"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"

Pot , meet Kettle!

Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
Flint is one of very few Labour MP's that came out of the post referendum period with any integrity intact.

Thornberry by comparison has always been an areshole.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

254 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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El stovey said:
Wombat3 said:
Except that the Conservatives haven't really been in power at all - everything since 2010 has either been watered down, compromised or massively overshadowed by Brexit. In addition to that they have had to pick their way through & try & rebuild from the rubble from Blair & Brown's economic mismanagement (which started way before 2008).

Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
So labour are responsible for everything that happened during their time in charge (even though there was a global financial crisis)

But any failure of the conservatives is due to the coalition and brexit (Cameron’s plan) and the previous labour government?

Sounds like if it goes wrong for Boris it will be the fault of brexit and the EU and labour still?
The GFC was partly out of their hands. The sheer amounts they were spending in the boom years preceding it were not.

'Spend in the recession, reap in the boom' had turned into 'spend in a recession, keep spending in the boom'.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Camoradi said:
psi310398 said:
From Tom Holland re Bercow on Twitter: "The greatest joy for a man is to defeat his enemies, drive them before him, take from them all they possess, see those they love in tears, ride their horses, hold their wives & daughters in his arms & reduce them to appearing on Italian game shows."

https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/12064672016...

rofl
from the Twitter comments

"Dance dwarf! Dance for us!"

hehe
From the comments. Every day’s a school day.



soxboy

6,289 posts

220 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Well judging by social media postings I've got a fun Christmas coming up.

Christmas Day morning is round at my brother-in-laws. He's a train driver on £60k who is still resolutely working class and has posted stuff about 'Five More Years of this ste'. His views however on benefits, immigrants and LGBT would make William Rees-Mogg wince.

Boxing Day is round at my cousin's house. One of them has posted 'How did it come to this' and another has posted 'Who are all these people who voted him in and why don't I understand them?'

I'm off to Amazon to see if I can get a big blue rosette just to annoy them.

ecsrobin

17,142 posts

166 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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soxboy said:
Well judging by social media postings I've got a fun Christmas coming up.

Christmas Day morning is round at my brother-in-laws. He's a train driver on £60k who is still resolutely working class and has posted stuff about 'Five More Years of this ste'. His views however on benefits, immigrants and LGBT would make William Rees-Mogg wince.

Boxing Day is round at my cousin's house. One of them has posted 'How did it come to this' and another has posted 'Who are all these people who voted him in and why don't I understand them?'

I'm off to Amazon to see if I can get a big blue rosette just to annoy them.
You can get them all presents from the Conservative party shop rofl (I found it after having a similar scenario to yours) https://shop.conservatives.com/

A particular favourite for a present:


Vanden Saab

14,140 posts

75 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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ecsrobin said:
soxboy said:
Well judging by social media postings I've got a fun Christmas coming up.

Christmas Day morning is round at my brother-in-laws. He's a train driver on £60k who is still resolutely working class and has posted stuff about 'Five More Years of this ste'. His views however on benefits, immigrants and LGBT would make William Rees-Mogg wince.

Boxing Day is round at my cousin's house. One of them has posted 'How did it come to this' and another has posted 'Who are all these people who voted him in and why don't I understand them?'

I'm off to Amazon to see if I can get a big blue rosette just to annoy them.
You can get them all presents from the Conservative party shop rofl (I found it after having a similar scenario to yours) https://shop.conservatives.com/

A particular favourite for a present:

You are both very bad men... ... coasters ordered for a special member of the family ...she loves hedgehogs...laugh



vaud

50,613 posts

156 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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vaud said:
Missing 'not so' somewhere ahead of 'many'.

vaud

50,613 posts

156 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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janesmith1950 said:
Missing 'not so' somewhere ahead of 'many'.
Could be added in crayon to make it a personalized gift.

Wombat3

12,201 posts

207 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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El stovey said:
Wombat3 said:
Except that the Conservatives haven't really been in power at all - everything since 2010 has either been watered down, compromised or massively overshadowed by Brexit. In addition to that they have had to pick their way through & try & rebuild from the rubble from Blair & Brown's economic mismanagement (which started way before 2008).

Its going to be very interesting to see what they can actually achieve now.
So labour are responsible for everything that happened during their time in charge (even though there was a global financial crisis)

But any failure of the conservatives is due to the coalition and brexit (Cameron’s plan) and the previous labour government?

Sounds like if it goes wrong for Boris it will be the fault of brexit and the EU and labour still?
Labour inherited a fundamentally sound economy in 1997 & left a massive structural deficit in 2010 - quite aside from the GFC.

The GFC happened here, yet Australian banks largely unaffected thanks to regulation.

It all boiled up on Brown's watch, either he knew the risks that were being run but didn't stop it because he liked/needed the tax revenues (in which case he was complicit) or he didn't know, in which case he was incompetent.

Its one or the other.

If things go wrong down track now as a result of Brexit then indeed Boris's name will be writ large all over it.

king arthur

6,573 posts

262 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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jsf said:
Wombat3 said:
Thornberry now suing Flint :haha:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emily-thornb...

"You can't just have people going obn TV and saying whatever comes into their heads!"

Pot , meet Kettle!

Labour - the gift that keeps on giving!
Flint is one of very few Labour MP's that came out of the post referendum period with any integrity intact.

Thornberry by comparison has always been an areshole.
To my mind Caroline Flint is possibly one of the few Labour MPs who didn't deserve to lose their seats.

And Emily Thornberry deserved to but didn't.

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Had cause to use FB this morning to get hold of someone.... couldn't help a quick peruse of the feed.

Jesus. H. Christ.

They're still whinging about the result. Pages of it.


Its done now, they need to get on with life. This is why this lot will never amount to anything, they're too hung up on what happened to give thought to whats happening now and what is going to happen next. It will literally pass them by and they'll be in the same place in 5 years time complaining about the same things. People like that will never run the country because they simply won't give themselves the opportunity to do so.

Their dear leader hasn't won, in fact, didn't even come close and most of the country are dumb fks for not voting for him. They can only converse in anger and spittle and they don't realise that most people simply don't listen to it (and haven't), because why should they? Its not nice, its not endearing, its not conducive to constructive conversation. Its petulant and childish.
Mine is getting quieter slowly this link was the only post today

https://ahtribune.com/world/europe/uk/3720-someone...

It wasn’t Russian interference that won the conservatives the election - I have literally no idea how to respond to that so I just marked with a lol

Most of them are going back to talking about cars biggrin


psi310398

9,133 posts

204 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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king arthur said:
To my mind Caroline Flint is possibly one of the few Labour MPs who didn't deserve to lose their seats.

And Emily Thornberry deserved to but didn't.
'This is a total and utter lie. I have never said this to anyone, nor anything like it, and I hope needless to say, it is not something I would ever think,' she said.

Is she not compelled to reach for a lawyer precisely because, so far as the man in the street is concerned, Flint's allegation rings so utterly true?!!

TBF, however, maybe her snooty disdain is reserved exclusively for the white van men of Rochester.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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psi310398 said:
'This is a total and utter lie. I have never said this to anyone, nor anything like it, and I hope needless to say, it is not something I would ever think,' she said.

Is she not compelled to reach for a lawyer precisely because, so far as the man in the street is concerned, Flint's allegation rings so utterly true?!!

TBF, however, maybe her snooty disdain is reserved exclusively for the white van men of Rochester.
IIRC she's is a barrister and hubby is a judge so she should know her way round the legal system

i4got

5,660 posts

79 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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catweasle said:
IIRC she's is a barrister and hubby is a judge so she should know her way round the legal system
That would explain the snooty disdain she displays.

Vanden Saab

14,140 posts

75 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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vaud said:
janesmith1950 said:
Missing 'not so' somewhere ahead of 'many'.
Could be added in crayon to make it a personalized gift.
clap

j4r4lly

596 posts

136 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Whilst I appreciate that it's not nice to gloat, I have very much enjoyed the triggered lefties having total social media meltdown following the result. Lilly Allen, some bint off Coronation Street, Hugh Grant, Stormzy etc. It's fabulous to watch.

The left still don't get why they lost and are blaming Brexit. They almost never try to win over people with a differing opinion and immediately resort to throwing insults - racist / xenophobe / Islamaphobia / poorly educated / wealthy toff etc. or simply try to shut discussion down with no platforming or intimidation. In IDS's constituency (Chingford) the Muslim Labour candidate complained that the Tory's were "borderline racist" because they had the temerity to use an image of the Union Jack on some of their literature!!! Momentum were very active in the area and many people felt uneasy at the hardline tactics, reminiscent of Class War, back in the 80's.

Hopefully Labour will continue to decline and elect some student union lightweight as the new leader, like Rebecca Wrong Daily or even the car crash that is Thornbury. As long as Momentum dominate the membership, there is little that the Parliamentary Labour Party can do to drag the party back to a more moderate and electable force.

I have thoroughly enjoyed the baffled look of amazement of the remainer / lefties as they struggle to realize that outside of their little bubbles, the majority of the British population are moderate sensible grown ups and have had enough of the playgroud nonsense that we have seen for the past few years. Now Boris needs to deliver on Brexit, the NHS, the northern towns and cities that have been voting Labour for years and got nothing back and all the other issues that have been piling up while the Brexit farce was played out in the HoC.

Lotobear

6,378 posts

129 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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psi310398 said:
'This is a total and utter lie. I have never said this to anyone, nor anything like it, and I hope needless to say, it is not something I would ever think,' she said.

Is she not compelled to reach for a lawyer precisely because, so far as the man in the street is concerned, Flint's allegation rings so utterly true?!!

TBF, however, maybe her snooty disdain is reserved exclusively for the white van men of Rochester.
Emsy also said she would 'take it on the chin' in any other circumstance.....just don't tell Techiedave

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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crankedup said:
Both I expect, can’t say they will be missed. Never did read of a motoring related post from any of them.
I’m fairness you could say that about many an NPE regular.

There’s one chap who allegedly has a 911 GT3 and yet never ever appears with a question or perspective in the Porsche section and posts exclusively in non motoring parts of the forum hehe