Election 2019 V2

[motco]

jimPH said:

I live in the midlands so well used to a brummy accent, in fact i'm quite unusual in that i like the melody of it, but Jess Phillips comes across as a bit thick.

I have a good friend who is a Brummy and I worked for GKN for some years which brought me into contact with Brummies and Black Country people a lot. The accent, whilst not really impressive as far as a business image is concerned, doesn't have the latent undertone of menace that some other accents have. It is an innocent sort of tone in my experience. We're all influenced by our past so I suppose it depends on whom one has encountered, under what circumstances, and what their backgrounds were which build our stereotypes.

[Crumpet]

motco said:

The accent, whilst not really impressive as far as a business image is concerned, doesn't have the latent undertone of menace that some other accents have.

Is it the accents that are menacing or the speakers themselves? Northern Labour MPs always seem to come across as aggressive, Lisa Nandy being an example - it seems to be the women in particular.

It’s struck me today, from listening to the debates, that Conservative MPs are far more articulate than their Labour counterparts, although I realise that shouldn’t be a surprise.

[vaud]

"John McDonnell has told shadow cabinet colleagues to stop asking him "are you alright?", telling them:

"Normally when a socialist revolution fails they all get taken to a football stadium and shot, at least that hasn’t happened this time.”"

(from Twitter)

[Digga]

motco said:

jimPH said:

I live in the midlands so well used to a brummy accent, in fact i'm quite unusual in that i like the melody of it, but Jess Phillips comes across as a bit thick.

I have a good friend who is a Brummy and I worked for GKN for some years which brought me into contact with Brummies and Black Country people a lot. The accent, whilst not really impressive as far as a business image is concerned, doesn't have the latent undertone of menace that some other accents have. It is an innocent sort of tone in my experience. We're all influenced by our past so I suppose it depends on whom one has encountered, under what circumstances, and what their backgrounds were which build our stereotypes.

If I've been working away and am looking forward to home, the first snippet of a Black Country (or surrounding area) accent always warms the heart.

[Carl_Manchester]

motco said:

jimPH said:

I live in the midlands so well used to a brummy accent, in fact i'm quite unusual in that i like the melody of it, but Jess Phillips comes across as a bit thick.

I have a good friend who is a Brummy and I worked for GKN for some years which brought me into contact with Brummies and Black Country people a lot. The accent, whilst not really impressive as far as a business image is concerned, doesn't have the latent undertone of menace that some other accents have. It is an innocent sort of tone in my experience. We're all influenced by our past so I suppose it depends on whom one has encountered, under what circumstances, and what their backgrounds were which build our stereotypes.

I have the same accent as Jess, the accent has gone from a liability in 2000 to an asset now. Cillian Murphy played his part but it is mostly down to the cosmopolitan nature of London (the people you work with are generally not from London) and the ability to connect to people from outside it.

[FiF]

Boris playing a blinder by saying we should drop the Leave and Remain labels and move on together. Meanwhile Twitter still bangs on about Britain's Trump and screaming about populism.

More meanwhile across Europe the centre Left are in their worst electoral positions and results ever.

Democrats in US going to join them.

[.:ian:.]

crankedup said:

Stussy said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The picture says it’s all

And the body language tells a story, side ways looking, angry face, folded arms! Leader of the opposition

Isn't he about to have a £70k pay cut? Should be happy, closer now to the many instead of the few!

Or maybe he had already put down a deposit on a DBS?

[jimmyjimjim]

Have we had this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_D-LKSYrU

Edit - and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRr53vklW_M

Edited by jimmyjimjim on Friday 20th December 18:10

[turbobloke]

FiF said:

Boris playing a blinder by saying we should drop the Leave and Remain labels and move on together. Meanwhile Twitter still bangs on about Britain's Trump and screaming about populism.

Labour supporters howling about populism - after Corbyn just offered voters a mountain of free stuff. Ho Ho Ho.

Populism in Boris's case meant policies that people wanted to vote for. That's what elections are all about.

Free stuff costs too much.

FiF said:

More meanwhile across Europe the centre Left are in their worst electoral positions and results ever.
Democrats in US going to join them.

Their tolerant Left-illiberals surely know more about how to win elections than the UK far Left, but will it be enough it's not looking good.

Trump on course to win in 2020:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-hi...

[JagLover]

Goodwin with an in depth look at electoral trends in the last election.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/nine-lessons...

[FiF]

The comfort blankets continue to be spread. Lib Dem saying well our share of the vote went up by 4% which was more than Cons +1% and Labour -8%. Reason for Lib Dems not winning claimed to be due to tactical voting for Labour.

Only one thing to give as a comment there, utterly delusional.

[djohnson]

The Hypno-Toad said:

plasticpig said:

rxe said:

33% of the electorate supported Corbyn the mentalist. That worries me. If Boris had screwed up, we'd be looking at a Marxist parliament right now.

No we wouldn't. We would have a democratic socialist government. They are by no means the same thing.

I stand by my statement that I made at the beginning of this election. A vote for Corbyn would have been the last vote you would have ever cast.

The man has no concept of criticism, no concept of blame and no concept of humility. He is RIGHT, you are wrong. No debate & no discussion and if you felt that you still needed to question the great leader then you need to be re-educated.

Brexit had long since been a side line for me because if he had got elected or led a rainbow alliance in parliament then I was seriously worried that we would lose our democracy, full stop.
Luckily even the most rabid remainer on the Conservative benches could see the danger when he was talking about leading an emergency government
. When I look at Corbyn I don’t see a caring grandad, I see a man who would have done anything to get into Downing Street and would have only left if faced with the barrel of a gun.

We have just dodged an extremely large bullet and one I hope we never have to face again.

Yep, precisely this.

[FiF]

David Starkey being, well, David Starkey. Rude, direct, no punches pulled.

https://youtu.be/s7Yzy6Rqrmc

[JustALooseScrew]

FiF said:

David Starkey being, well, David Starkey. Rude, direct, no punches pulled.

https://youtu.be/s7Yzy6Rqrmc

Once again a great link from you.

"Isn't it extraordinary that God reads the Manchester Guardian"

[JagLover]

JustALooseScrew said:

FiF said:

David Starkey being, well, David Starkey. Rude, direct, no punches pulled.

https://youtu.be/s7Yzy6Rqrmc

Once again a great link from you.

"Isn't it extraordinary that God reads the Manchester Guardian"

Well worth a watch. I don't agree with everything he says (for example I think gay marriage is a side issue that most had no problem with) but it is still an interesting interview.

[FiF]

Not quite sure what to make of this, is it an anti-Boris comfort blanket, or is it a statement about Labour / SNP both of whom suffer >50%

From Election Maps UK

GE2019 If not voting was a party (Apathy Party = Pink):

CON: 308 (-57)
Apathy: 218 (+218)
LAB: 89 (-113)
SNP: 22 (-26)
LDM: 9 (-2)
PLC: 2 (-2)
GRN: 1 (=)
SDLP: 1 (-1)

CON 18 Short of a Majority.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

David Starkey being, well, David Starkey. Rude, direct, no punches pulled.

https://youtu.be/s7Yzy6Rqrmc

Surprised you aren’t upbraiding for “ad homs” rather than celebrating him

[loafer123]

FiF said:

Not quite sure what to make of this, is it an anti-Boris comfort blanket, or is it a statement about Labour / SNP both of whom suffer >50%

From Election Maps UK

GE2019 If not voting was a party (Apathy Party = Pink):

CON: 308 (-57)
Apathy: 218 (+218)
LAB: 89 (-113)
SNP: 22 (-26)
LDM: 9 (-2)
PLC: 2 (-2)
GRN: 1 (=)
SDLP: 1 (-1)

CON 18 Short of a Majority.

Surely the Apathy party would have been Remain (I.e. “do nothing”) and would have split the Remain vote...

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

Not quite sure what to make of this, is it an anti-Boris comfort blanket, or is it a statement about Labour / SNP both of whom suffer >50%

From Election Maps UK

GE2019 If not voting was a party (Apathy Party = Pink):

CON: 308 (-57)
Apathy: 218 (+218)
LAB: 89 (-113)
SNP: 22 (-26)
LDM: 9 (-2)
PLC: 2 (-2)
GRN: 1 (=)
SDLP: 1 (-1)

CON 18 Short of a Majority.

This is interesting and shows both of what you allude to:

1 - a rejection of nationalist politics in each of Scotland NI and Wales (am including Unionists as a type of nationalism in NI)

2 - a lack of willingness in some of the most long-standing Labour heartlands to commit a new allegiance to the Tories but no tick for Labour Party if the day

[irc]

FiF said:

Not quite sure what to make of this, is it an anti-Boris comfort blanket, or is it a statement about Labour / SNP both of whom suffer >50%

From Election Maps UK

GE2019 If not voting was a party (Apathy Party = Pink):

CON: 308 (-57)
Apathy: 218 (+218)
LAB: 89 (-113)
SNP: 22 (-26)
LDM: 9 (-2)
PLC: 2 (-2)
GRN: 1 (=)
SDLP: 1 (-1)

CON 18 Short of a Majority.

Nah. The apathy MPs would have done a Sin Feinn and not taken their seats.

PS After 13 years of Labour government and 9 years of coalition or Maybot govt it is fabulous to see the British people reject the anti democratic Libdems and the far left Momentum party. A Corbyn govt would have crashed the economy and further entrenched the left in the institutions.

Boris played a blinder. 10 years of stable progressive govt ahead.