Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader

[jakesmith]

techiedave said:

Anyway more importantly why are they replacing Jeremy ?
He has shown by his concern about the racial coverage of Meghan Markle that he is still an incredibly important and relevant politician.
By this time most ex leaders are way away from the limelight - not this Jeremy

That’s because unlike most political leaders who were humiliated by a devastating election defeat, he is the first one in recorded history to have still managed to have won the actual argument, which is the important thing naturally

[Scotty2]

jsf said:

Lisa Nandy has just been on Andrew Neil. I thought she was one of the more intelligent candidates before that.

She is as stupid as the rest of them.

I saw that and was surprised. Thought she was going to talk sense but then said she would continue with the ridiculous economy wrecking loony policies.

Not one of them seems to have learned from the result and the public perception.

[williamp]

techiedave said:

Anyway more importantly why are they replacing Jeremy ?
He has shown by his concern about the racial coverage of Meghan Markle that he is still an incredibly important and relevant politician.
By this time most ex leaders are way away from the limelight - not this Jeremy

This is it for me, too. If you win the argument, you dont run away to your socialist utopia in north london. You demand a national strike and general election. The labour party are ready to govern, and Diane is ready too..

[Slaav]

Scotty2 said:

jsf said:

Lisa Nandy has just been on Andrew Neil. I thought she was one of the more intelligent candidates before that.

She is as stupid as the rest of them.

I saw that and was surprised. Thought she was going to talk sense but then said she would continue with the ridiculous economy wrecking loony policies.

Not one of them seems to have learned from the result and the public perception.

I am starting to wonder whether it may be ME that is getting this wrong looking at many of the posts recently, especially as we see TSP pulling ahead?

If Nandy ever wants to fight a GE, she FIRST has to be leader of the opposition.

Saying what needs to be said to win this leadership contest, will lose a GE but saying what the country really needs to hear and would win a GE will guarantee her failure in this leadership bid?

With the current system of voting for a Labour leader, they have shot themselves (well, Miliband did I guess?) in the foot as if they don't want someone actually electable and appealing to the middle ground.

The more reasonable (a relative term) candidates will undoubtedly soften the rhetoric once elected Leader.

[pingu393]

Scotty2 said:

jsf said:

Lisa Nandy has just been on Andrew Neil. I thought she was one of the more intelligent candidates before that.

She is as stupid as the rest of them.

I saw that and was surprised. Thought she was going to talk sense but then said she would continue with the ridiculous economy wrecking loony policies.

Not one of them seems to have learned from the result and the public perception.

Maybe, it's because she knows her electorate in THIS election .

[anonymous-user]

Talking of marrows
I just see them digging an even deeper hole for themselves.
They are completely screwed if they think its just one more push and we are back. Not wishing to appear argumentative but I just never got the love for Lisa Nandy I don't get it for Jess Phillips or Sir Keith Stumbling now.
And THEY are supposed to be the more electable ?

[Slaav]

pingu393 said:

Scotty2 said:

jsf said:

Lisa Nandy has just been on Andrew Neil. I thought she was one of the more intelligent candidates before that.

She is as stupid as the rest of them.

I saw that and was surprised. Thought she was going to talk sense but then said she would continue with the ridiculous economy wrecking loony policies.

Not one of them seems to have learned from the result and the public perception.

Maybe, it's because she knows her electorate in THIS election .

My point exactly! Just a bit more succinctly put

[Ridgemont]

B'stard Child said:

What's an aubergine got to do with the price of chips?

Bless.

[Ridgemont]

techiedave said:

Talking of marrows
I just see them digging an even deeper hole for themselves.
They are completely screwed if they think its just one more push and we are back. Not wishing to appear argumentative but I just never got the love for Lisa Nandy I don't get it for Jess Phillips or Sir Keith Stumbling now.
And THEY are supposed to be the more electable ?

This is the thing.

Back in 2015 when Corbyn there was perhaps 1 member of the PLP to the left of him. He promptly made him his shadow chancellor.

The centre of gravity has so much shifted that RLB, who is essentially the same bloody manifesto, has at least 20 nutters to her left now.

Meanwhile adultish politicians from Starmer and Nandy (Philips at a push) are having to tack hard left to try and win the votes of an electorate who are utterly out of touch with the majority of the country. Babbling on about supposedly popular policies which went down in flames a month ago.
Lady Nugee I won’t even comment on.

Newsnight tonight is hilarious. Utter denial on various labour types. If RLB wins either the Labour Party splits or it’s 10 years Tory government for certs.

Utter madness. I have no idea how labour even stays as the opposition at this rate. Nature abhors a vacuum.
If the Lib Dems can get their act together then labour is screwed.

[anonymous-user]

Ridgemont said:

techiedave said:

Talking of marrows
I just see them digging an even deeper hole for themselves.
They are completely screwed if they think its just one more push and we are back. Not wishing to appear argumentative but I just never got the love for Lisa Nandy I don't get it for Jess Phillips or Sir Keith Stumbling now.
And THEY are supposed to be the more electable ?

This is the thing.

Back in 2015 when Corbyn there was perhaps 1 member of the PLP to the left of him. He promptly made him his shadow chancellor.

The centre of gravity has so much shifted that RLB, who is essentially the same bloody manifesto, has at least 20 nutters to her left now.

Meanwhile adultish politicians from Starmer and Nandy (Philips at a push) are having to tack hard left to try and win the votes of an electorate who are utterly out of touch with the majority of the country. Babbling on about supposedly popular policies which went down in flames a month ago.
Lady Nugee I won’t even comment on.

Newsnight tonight is hilarious. Utter denial on various labour types. If RLB wins either the Labour Party splits or it’s 10 years Tory government for certs.

Utter madness. I have no idea how labour even stays as the opposition at this rate. Nature abhors a vacuum.
If the Lib Dems can get their act together then labour is screwed.

I don’t think sir Keith is that left wing tbh, he saying the right stuff to get elected but frequently talks about making big changes to the party. That sounds more like getting rid of momentum and the cabinet to me.

He was there when all the anti Semitic stuff was going on and was also involved in their brexit policy so he’s a not exactly a fresh start.

[Ridgemont]

El stovey said:

I don’t think sir Keith is that left wing tbh, he saying the right stuff to get elected but frequently talks about making big changes to the party. That sounds more like getting rid of momentum and the cabinet to me.

He was there when all the anti Semitic stuff was going on and was also involved in their brexit policy so he’s a not exactly a fresh start.

That’s my problem with him. If he can get in and then clear out the stables then more power to his elbow but trust is a major issue with him.
He has been a respectable face of appalling misjudgments around anti Semitism and that Brexit position was a disaster (though to be fair I suspect he would never had swallowed the election offer bait).

Golly, labour are in a worse poke than in 1983.
I guess a dream scenario would be Starmer wins, cleans house, begins to reset but will face 5 years of attrition but wins NEC and membership battles so that labour put in a decent performance in 2024 (my guess is that the FTPA will be gone by then) and allow a decent tranche of centre candidates back in so that they close some of the gap with the Tories, the Tories get a second term but labour have a platform for the late 20s with a decent shadow cabinet.

Sadly I suspect that is all manana: in 92 when Kinnock failed, John Smith was able to step forward and there was a cadre of talented MPs who formed the backbone of Blair’s future cabinet (Brown, Cook, Straw, Beckett, Blunkett, Robertson) who were backed up by a back room team of the likes of Mandelson, Campbell, Balls, Millibands x2 etc.

The scene now is utterly different.

Edited by Ridgemont on Thursday 16th January 23:54

[Gargamel]

Labour have lost the last four General Elections.

They are facing political oblivion and I actually think the brand is so tarnished, they may as well give up. If Long Bailey wins, I think it will only serve to highlight the decline.

The Left spend far too much time negotiating with themselves instead of communicating policy. British people don’t like ideologues, practical and pragmatic, lets do things that work, not argue about labels.

[Wombat3]

The wheels now appear to be in motion for a Momentum / Wrong-Daily & Crayons stitch up.

If that happens can any self respecting moderate Labour MP seriously get behind that ticket or will they break away?

If only 100 of them left to form a new party Labour would no longer be the official opposition.

[Dont like rolls]

Ridgemont said:

Utter madness. I have no idea how labour even stays as the opposition at this rate. Nature abhors a vacuum.
If the Lib Dems can get their act together then labour is screwed.

The trouble with that is the LibDems are equally despised but for differing reasons. The public cannot stand their virtual signalling "woke" bullst.

What opposition is left, gawd knows what will develop from the mess they both are in.

[anonymous-user]

Live in Guildford, Emily Hornvery speaking passionately about becoming leader.

Says she’s proud of working under Corbyn.

[kev1974]

El stovey said:

Live in Guildford, Emily Hornvery speaking passionately about becoming leader.

Says she’s proud of working under Corbyn.

Who is she speaking to, the 23 people she harassed into backing her? Doubt anyone else is interested

[anonymous-user]

kev1974 said:

El stovey said:

Live in Guildford, Emily Hornvery speaking passionately about becoming leader.

Says she’s proud of working under Corbyn.

Who is she speaking to, the 23 people she harassed into backing her? Doubt anyone else is interested

I only saw it on the telly. She seemed particularly unimpressive. If there was 23 people there they weren’t all clapping at her speech, sounded more like 7 or so.

[kev1974]

Lady Fourbellies is on C4 News now, being interviewed at length, but not particularly in depth. She doesn't half drone on! And she has an awful arrogance that comes over. I think she is trying to be assertive and commanding, in a Mrs Thatcher way, but it's not working, she's just unbearable.

[crankedup]

Ridgemont said:

techiedave said:

Talking of marrows
I just see them digging an even deeper hole for themselves.
They are completely screwed if they think its just one more push and we are back. Not wishing to appear argumentative but I just never got the love for Lisa Nandy I don't get it for Jess Phillips or Sir Keith Stumbling now.
And THEY are supposed to be the more electable ?

This is the thing.

Back in 2015 when Corbyn there was perhaps 1 member of the PLP to the left of him. He promptly made him his shadow chancellor.

The centre of gravity has so much shifted that RLB, who is essentially the same bloody manifesto, has at least 20 nutters to her left now.

Meanwhile adultish politicians from Starmer and Nandy (Philips at a push) are having to tack hard left to try and win the votes of an electorate who are utterly out of touch with the majority of the country. Babbling on about supposedly popular policies which went down in flames a month ago.
Lady Nugee I won’t even comment on.

Newsnight tonight is hilarious. Utter denial on various labour types. If RLB wins either the Labour Party splits or it’s 10 years Tory government for certs.

Utter madness. I have no idea how labour even stays as the opposition at this rate. Nature abhors a vacuum.
If the Lib Dems can get their act together then labour is screwed.

At the risk of boring posters, if not already, I honestly see the Labour Party splitting resulting in moderate and hard left offerings. I cannot see how the Labour Party can continue in its singular present guise.

[anonymous-user]

For Labour to win they need to be united
They are currently united, They are united in their hatred of each other

Its an old line courtesy of Norman Tebbit but still valid