Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
well they arte off and 1st out is lady of the people Emily Thornberry
Cracking
But read this
"Lisa Nandy, Keir Starmer, Clive Lewis and David Lammy have indicated they are considering it.
Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is backed by a number of Corbyn allies, is highly likely to stand, along with Jess Phillips and possibly Yvette Cooper.
Read those 2 words
David Lammy
that's
David Lammy
Once again it's
David Lammy
The gift that keeps on giving
Cracking
But read this
"Lisa Nandy, Keir Starmer, Clive Lewis and David Lammy have indicated they are considering it.
Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is backed by a number of Corbyn allies, is highly likely to stand, along with Jess Phillips and possibly Yvette Cooper.
Read those 2 words
David Lammy
that's
David Lammy
Once again it's
David Lammy
The gift that keeps on giving
techiedave said:
well they arte off and 1st out is lady of the people Emily Thornberry
Cracking
But read this
"Lisa Nandy, Keir Starmer, Clive Lewis and David Lammy have indicated they are considering it.
Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is backed by a number of Corbyn allies, is highly likely to stand, along with Jess Phillips and possibly Yvette Cooper.
Read those 2 words
David Lammy
that's
David Lammy
Once again it's
David Lammy
The gift that keeps on giving
Cracking
But read this
"Lisa Nandy, Keir Starmer, Clive Lewis and David Lammy have indicated they are considering it.
Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is backed by a number of Corbyn allies, is highly likely to stand, along with Jess Phillips and possibly Yvette Cooper.
Read those 2 words
David Lammy
that's
David Lammy
Once again it's
David Lammy
The gift that keeps on giving
Lammy for PM!!!!!! Holy smokes that would be scary - mind you, Cooper ain't exactly much better....AJL308 said:
Realistically they need Keir Starmer. He's intelligent and is one of the very few possibles who who command any measure of respect from other world leaders and diplomats.
The thing is that he won't appeal to may people outside the South East as he's very Remain. Then again that may not make much difference once we've left as we won't be rejoining so he can bleat about it all he likes without being able to act on it.
To be honest it's difficult to see where the Labour Party goes now. They can't keep up this delusion of being for the "working classes" because the reality is that far fewer people see themselves as such today. On the Corbyn thread I mentioned that drivers on the Tyne & Wear Metro (one of the key Labour supporting areas) are on £46K a year, another poster said that while working off-shore in the 80's and on £50K some union types were trying to say they were being "exploited". Utter rubbish. My mates who are self employed who are builders, sparkies, plasterers and suchlike and who are absolutely coining it in don't see themselves in the traditional working class stereotype box. They all have new cars, newly refurbished houses in some cases foreign property and in one case just bought a massive bar/nightclub/restaurant abroad paid for by his work here. These people don't vote Labour - why would they vote to be financially raped by a bunch of deluded neo-communists who are more interested in bringing about "equality" by dragging the hard workers down rather than uplifting the rest?
Of the people I know who are still very staunch Labour, especially Corbyn Labour, all are either public employees (teachers, sorting office workers, local government) or creative types who design stuff on computers in semi-public jobs such as Uni's. Coincidentally the types of jobs which give you plenty of time to sit around and bump gums at your employers expense and are essentially jobs for life. I can't think of any who are the ones who are up at 7am digging the foundations for a new house extension or working till 10am fitting someones new bathroom. Espousing crazy communist theory is much easier when your own position is secure.
I can see Labour being reduced to being a lunatic fringe party with zero influence outside of London and a few other urban centres populated by trendy types unless very big changes happen very soon. Unless they elect someone like Starmer as their leader they are f
ked, quite honestly. They are not just out of touch with normal working people, they are utterly out of touch with reality. The problem will be exacerbated by them becoming even more unpleasant towards Jews and other minorities as they need someone to blame for their own lunacy and failure.
I really cannot pick any fault with that assessment.The thing is that he won't appeal to may people outside the South East as he's very Remain. Then again that may not make much difference once we've left as we won't be rejoining so he can bleat about it all he likes without being able to act on it.
To be honest it's difficult to see where the Labour Party goes now. They can't keep up this delusion of being for the "working classes" because the reality is that far fewer people see themselves as such today. On the Corbyn thread I mentioned that drivers on the Tyne & Wear Metro (one of the key Labour supporting areas) are on £46K a year, another poster said that while working off-shore in the 80's and on £50K some union types were trying to say they were being "exploited". Utter rubbish. My mates who are self employed who are builders, sparkies, plasterers and suchlike and who are absolutely coining it in don't see themselves in the traditional working class stereotype box. They all have new cars, newly refurbished houses in some cases foreign property and in one case just bought a massive bar/nightclub/restaurant abroad paid for by his work here. These people don't vote Labour - why would they vote to be financially raped by a bunch of deluded neo-communists who are more interested in bringing about "equality" by dragging the hard workers down rather than uplifting the rest?
Of the people I know who are still very staunch Labour, especially Corbyn Labour, all are either public employees (teachers, sorting office workers, local government) or creative types who design stuff on computers in semi-public jobs such as Uni's. Coincidentally the types of jobs which give you plenty of time to sit around and bump gums at your employers expense and are essentially jobs for life. I can't think of any who are the ones who are up at 7am digging the foundations for a new house extension or working till 10am fitting someones new bathroom. Espousing crazy communist theory is much easier when your own position is secure.
I can see Labour being reduced to being a lunatic fringe party with zero influence outside of London and a few other urban centres populated by trendy types unless very big changes happen very soon. Unless they elect someone like Starmer as their leader they are f
ked, quite honestly. They are not just out of touch with normal working people, they are utterly out of touch with reality. The problem will be exacerbated by them becoming even more unpleasant towards Jews and other minorities as they need someone to blame for their own lunacy and failure. The reality is that a week ago, all of the listed numpties were loudly and repeatedly telling us how great Corbyn and the party's policies were.
None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
kev1974 said:
The reality is that a week ago, all of the listed numpties were loudly and repeatedly telling us how great Corbyn and the party's policies were.
None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
To be fair to them, they could hardly slag off thier own leadership in the midst of the election campaign - They need jobs as much as the rest of us. Chukka and co did speak out and leave, and where are most of them now? Momentum has had (and still has) such a stranglehold in the leadership and NEC, publically resisting would have been futile in any case. Tory dissenters were kicked out, exactly the same would have happened to opponents of Corbyn and co. Of course you can say 'they should have been more principled', but maybe they knew the day would come that they would have an opportunity to change the direction of the party.None of them appeared on QT with Fiona or GMB with Piers and said that the leadership or direction was in any way wrong.
Now they want to u-turn and tell us they will be different. So either they are out and out liars by definition, or they are all just going to be more of the same, and drag the party further into the swamp of oblivion.
They are all completely complicit in the continuation and idolisation of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Whichever one of them takes over will just lead the party to another failure in December 2024, and it will take someone new who's just been elected in 2019 to start banging a different drum, manage to stay in their seat in 2024, and then take over in the inevitable leadership election in January 2025.
abzmike said:
Of course you can say 'they should have been more principled', but maybe they knew the day would come that they would have an opportunity to change the direction of the party.
Except if they'd all acted on principle Corbyn would have been removed as an electoral problem years ago.Ultimately all of them will be undermined by their support for Corbyn, none of them will win an election from a starting position of zero credibility.
paulrockliffe said:
Except if they'd all acted on principle Corbyn would have been removed as an electoral problem years ago.
Ultimately all of them will be undermined by their support for Corbyn, none of them will win an election from a starting position of zero credibility.
The PLP did not have the power to overrule Momentum - There is little dissenting MPs could have done apart from resign en-masse.Ultimately all of them will be undermined by their support for Corbyn, none of them will win an election from a starting position of zero credibility.
Because of the scale of thier defeat even Momentum should know thier policies and approach are not tenable with the electorate, but whether they can be persuaded or defeated remains to be seen.
We were not radical enough, the press forced JC into an unfair corner and attacked him with made up stories of Anti-Semitism added to lies about our Fully Costed proposals to bring the Uk together and move forward taking a lead in Europe and showing the advantage of Radical Socialism to our European friends.
The BBC and the Press Barron's using millionaires money is what happened, The election was stolen by lies and outside money/influence.
We will regroup, fly the radical socialist flag and keep growing with Momentum.
Labour will hold this Tory government's feet to the fire, the Uk needs Labour to bring balance to our present (till next time) government.
The BBC and the Press Barron's using millionaires money is what happened, The election was stolen by lies and outside money/influence.
We will regroup, fly the radical socialist flag and keep growing with Momentum.
Labour will hold this Tory government's feet to the fire, the Uk needs Labour to bring balance to our present (till next time) government.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Wednesday 18th December 16:44
Dont like rolls said:
We were not radical enough, the press forced JC into an unfair corner and attacked him with made up stories of Anti-Semitism added to lies about our Fully Costed proposals to bring the Uk together and move forward taking a lead in Europe and showing the advantage of Radical Socialism to our European friends.
The BBC and the Press Barron's using millionaires money is what happened, The election was stolen by lies and outside money/influence.
We will regroup, fly the radical socialist flag and keep growing with Momentum.
Labour will hold this Tory government's feet to the fire, the Uk needs Labour to bring balance to our present (till next time) government.
Is this a real quote? Please say it is.The BBC and the Press Barron's using millionaires money is what happened, The election was stolen by lies and outside money/influence.
We will regroup, fly the radical socialist flag and keep growing with Momentum.
Labour will hold this Tory government's feet to the fire, the Uk needs Labour to bring balance to our present (till next time) government.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Wednesday 18th December 16:44
Emily thornberry running for leadership.
She hasn't ran for anything in her life looking at those chubby digits she like to wave in peoples faces on QT.
Richard Burgon is the moron's moron "they said we wouldn't win last time"
Raynor? .Haha
Small mouth? Yes, that's exactly what the LP needs..a small mouth.
Kier the tear? (Always looks like hes about to start crying). Perhaps. Best of a bad bunch.
She hasn't ran for anything in her life looking at those chubby digits she like to wave in peoples faces on QT.
Richard Burgon is the moron's moron "they said we wouldn't win last time"
Raynor? .Haha
Small mouth? Yes, that's exactly what the LP needs..a small mouth.
Kier the tear? (Always looks like hes about to start crying). Perhaps. Best of a bad bunch.
sparkythecat said:
Richard Burgon was on Politics Live on BBC 2 today and was easily made to look a proper chump by Jo Coburn.
Despite being repeatedly confronted with tons of evidence, he just couldn't bring himself to admit that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a factor in Labour losing the election.
from Twitter #toriesforburgonDespite being repeatedly confronted with tons of evidence, he just couldn't bring himself to admit that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a factor in Labour losing the election.
"if all the villages sent their village idiot to a special new village, Burgon would be that village’s village idiot."
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