Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
Mrr T said:
gizlaroc said:
Starmer said that Labour lost because their voters didn't like Corbyn's policies and we as a party didn't listen to the people on Brexit.
He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
You do understand the UK has left the EU. By the time of the next election we will all have some ideas of the affects. He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
“Moving on” (from brexit) is a two way thing. Remain need to accept it has to and is going to happen (I think most have), and leavers need to not completely dismiss anything no matter how relevant from anyone who is remotely related to the remain cause.(this I’m less sure of).
markyb_lcy said:
Mrr T said:
gizlaroc said:
Starmer said that Labour lost because their voters didn't like Corbyn's policies and we as a party didn't listen to the people on Brexit.
He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
You do understand the UK has left the EU. By the time of the next election we will all have some ideas of the affects. He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
“Moving on” (from brexit) is a two way thing. Remain need to accept it has to and is going to happen (I think most have), and leavers need to not completely dismiss anything no matter how relevant from anyone who is remotely related to the remain cause.(this I’m less sure of).
Andy 308GTB said:
markyb_lcy said:
Mrr T said:
gizlaroc said:
Starmer said that Labour lost because their voters didn't like Corbyn's policies and we as a party didn't listen to the people on Brexit.
He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
You do understand the UK has left the EU. By the time of the next election we will all have some ideas of the affects. He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.
His front bench...
Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain
“Moving on” (from brexit) is a two way thing. Remain need to accept it has to and is going to happen (I think most have), and leavers need to not completely dismiss anything no matter how relevant from anyone who is remotely related to the remain cause.(this I’m less sure of).
A few pages back I posted up the Starmer Cabinet as die hard Remainers.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Troubleatmill said:
A few pages back I posted up the Starmer Cabinet as die hard Remainers.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
I would argue that Starmer's Labour conference speech lost the Labour party the election. Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Staunch Labour party voters heard that and felt that they had been stabbed in the back. A true WTF monent for many of them. In short Labour openly lied to them to get their vote. It didn't happen a second time.
Starmer will not be trusted by the Northern voters and they have long memories.
Cheers,
Tony
I think that Labour can win the next election, but they need a very strong, innovative and convincing vision for the country and they need to convince people that they can execute it. They need something that really resonates with people, really makes people sit up and take notice.
The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
AmitG said:
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
His choice of Shadow Cabinet ministers confirms that he either hasn't got a clue or that the 'talent' available from the Labour MP pool is hopeless. Take your pick... It's probably a mixture of both.I think Starmer is just the Kinnock of the C21st. The interim leader that starts the reform from the unelectable mess of the far left (Foot, Corbyn) by being just acceptable enough to them to get elected to Labour Leader, before purging the far left (Militant, Momentum) and laying the ground for a centrist politician (Blair/?) to take on the mantle.
Kinnock was unappealing to the electorate. Starmer is as well - am am yet to come across anyone who actually likes him (as opposed to seeing him as the least worst option). My wife, who is a good judge of character (with the rather obvious flaw of having married me), always cringes when Starmer comes on TV, saying "I don't like him - he's smarmy." But Kinnock did a lot of the hard work to get Labour into a position where it was credible to govern the country again.
Kinnock was unappealing to the electorate. Starmer is as well - am am yet to come across anyone who actually likes him (as opposed to seeing him as the least worst option). My wife, who is a good judge of character (with the rather obvious flaw of having married me), always cringes when Starmer comes on TV, saying "I don't like him - he's smarmy." But Kinnock did a lot of the hard work to get Labour into a position where it was credible to govern the country again.
AmitG said:
I think that Labour can win the next election, but they need a very strong, innovative and convincing vision for the country and they need to convince people that they can execute it. They need something that really resonates with people, really makes people sit up and take notice.
The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
I expect it depends entirely on what happens during the virus and how the conservatives are viewed to have handled it. The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
By the next election we’ll have all the facts and like Black Friday or the Falklands war or the global financial crisis or the war in Iraq etc the government will either be amazing heroes who stopped millions dying and saved the economy or dismal failures who cause unnecessary deaths and damaged the economy for years.
If it’s the later then labour have a chance if it’s the former then forget it.
Came across this again.
Going to miss him...
Ben McDonald (@Bmac0507) Tweeted:
In honor of Jeremy Corbyn losing here's this amazing video https://t.co/lLwI7MEdKZ
Going to miss him...
Ben McDonald (@Bmac0507) Tweeted:
In honor of Jeremy Corbyn losing here's this amazing video https://t.co/lLwI7MEdKZ
Troubleatmill said:
A few pages back I posted up the Starmer Cabinet as die hard Remainers.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Wasn’t it RLB that made that infamous quote in the AN interviews?Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Could be wrong though
valiant said:
Troubleatmill said:
A few pages back I posted up the Starmer Cabinet as die hard Remainers.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Wasn’t it RLB that made that infamous quote in the AN interviews?Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Could be wrong though
Notably, Lisa Nandy & Caroline Flint who warned the Labour ivory tower the message being sent out was the wrong one and it would cost Labour the election.
They were right.
valiant said:
Troubleatmill said:
A few pages back I posted up the Starmer Cabinet as die hard Remainers.
Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Wasn’t it RLB that made that infamous quote in the AN interviews?Even in his recent interviews - he views the public as thickos.
"They just didn't understand our message"
He simply fails to graps - that we fully understood the Labour message - and the electorate did not like it one bit.
Until that sinks in - he will never get to sit on the other side of the chamber.
Could be wrong though
Starmer did it on Andrew Marr a month or three ago.
AmitG said:
I think that Labour can win the next election, but they need a very strong, innovative and convincing vision for the country and they need to convince people that they can execute it. They need something that really resonates with people, really makes people sit up and take notice.
The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
Think about that for a minute...The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
So we should elect a bunch of principled people who have long held core beliefs as to the way things should be run...
...except they will just be substantially different to the long held beliefs that they offered us the last time?
They wouldn't know principle if it battered them across the head. This is (always was) the endemic problem with the Labour party. A bunch if shisters that blow with the wind.
I imagine Starmer's had to pick some of the lefty thicko lot for the shadow cabinet to appease the rest of the lefty thicko lot.
Miliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
Miliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
janesmith1950 said:
I imagine Starmer's had to pick some of the lefty thicko lot for the shadow cabinet to appease the rest of the lefty thicko lot.
Miliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
AIUI if you look at the actual number of votes cast his mandate is not in the least bit convincingMiliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
Oh dear
I wonder what the faithful will # tomorrow.
Euan Philipps said:
It appears that our private data has been included in the internal @UKLabour report, & subsequently found its way to @owenjones84, @RaynerSkyNews, @mattzarb & @rachael_swindon - among others.
We (@LabourAgainstAS) wonder how & why Mr Jones, Mr Zarb-Cousin & Ms Swindon have received this report, seemingly including our personal data, without our prior consent or knowledge.
We will be consulting with our legal team on Tues before deciding whether to pursue further.
https://twitter.com/EuanPhilipps/status/1249365786...We (@LabourAgainstAS) wonder how & why Mr Jones, Mr Zarb-Cousin & Ms Swindon have received this report, seemingly including our personal data, without our prior consent or knowledge.
We will be consulting with our legal team on Tues before deciding whether to pursue further.
I wonder what the faithful will # tomorrow.
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