Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
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I’m glad starmer won tbh.
It’s all very well laughing at the enemy if you’re never going to vote labour due to ideological reasons, but I’d rather have a choice in elections and labour led by corbyn and McDonnell simply wasn’t a choice I’d ever go for.
Plus you need an effective opposition, not just chucking stones and being a protest party like corbyn’s labour was.
It’s all very well laughing at the enemy if you’re never going to vote labour due to ideological reasons, but I’d rather have a choice in elections and labour led by corbyn and McDonnell simply wasn’t a choice I’d ever go for.
Plus you need an effective opposition, not just chucking stones and being a protest party like corbyn’s labour was.
ChocolateFrog said:
TPSA7514 said:
YES
And hopefully there will be full coverage of this result. It is VERY important news for democracy and IMO should be the newstory that is at the top of EVERY bulletin.
For well over a week the Conservative party have had blanket coverage of their press conferences. They have SHAMEULLY paraded different cabinet ministers in front of the cameras. All a ploy to ingratiate these cabinet ministers into peoples minds.
Today this is the chance for the Labour Party to get the coverage it deserves
Some of us are praying and hoping for a RLB landslide so that the start that Jeremy and John made can go on.
However should the closet tory Keir Starmer win then it will still be a starting point. Mr Starmer will know only too well that Coprbynism is the true way forward
Corbanism has transformed the party and whilst they won the arguments in the hearts and minds of all sensible thinking people it cruelly didn't lead to the Election victory they so richly deserved.
The next general election campaign effectively starts later today
That's the stupidest post I've read on PH in a very long time.And hopefully there will be full coverage of this result. It is VERY important news for democracy and IMO should be the newstory that is at the top of EVERY bulletin.
For well over a week the Conservative party have had blanket coverage of their press conferences. They have SHAMEULLY paraded different cabinet ministers in front of the cameras. All a ploy to ingratiate these cabinet ministers into peoples minds.
Today this is the chance for the Labour Party to get the coverage it deserves
Some of us are praying and hoping for a RLB landslide so that the start that Jeremy and John made can go on.
However should the closet tory Keir Starmer win then it will still be a starting point. Mr Starmer will know only too well that Coprbynism is the true way forward
Corbanism has transformed the party and whilst they won the arguments in the hearts and minds of all sensible thinking people it cruelly didn't lead to the Election victory they so richly deserved.
The next general election campaign effectively starts later today
Congratulations.
Esceptico said:
TPSA7514 said:
YES
And hopefully there will be full coverage of this result. It is VERY important news for democracy and IMO should be the newstory that is at the top of EVERY bulletin.
For well over a week the Conservative party have had blanket coverage of their press conferences. They have SHAMEULLY paraded different cabinet ministers in front of the cameras. All a ploy to ingratiate these cabinet ministers into peoples minds.
Today this is the chance for the Labour Party to get the coverage it deserves
Some of us are praying and hoping for a RLB landslide so that the start that Jeremy and John made can go on.
However should the closet tory Keir Starmer win then it will still be a starting point. Mr Starmer will know only too well that Coprbynism is the true way forward
Corbanism has transformed the party and whilst they won the arguments in the hearts and minds of all sensible thinking people it cruelly didn't lead to the Election victory they so richly deserved.
The next general election campaign effectively starts later today
Can’t work out if this is a parody or not. And hopefully there will be full coverage of this result. It is VERY important news for democracy and IMO should be the newstory that is at the top of EVERY bulletin.
For well over a week the Conservative party have had blanket coverage of their press conferences. They have SHAMEULLY paraded different cabinet ministers in front of the cameras. All a ploy to ingratiate these cabinet ministers into peoples minds.
Today this is the chance for the Labour Party to get the coverage it deserves
Some of us are praying and hoping for a RLB landslide so that the start that Jeremy and John made can go on.
However should the closet tory Keir Starmer win then it will still be a starting point. Mr Starmer will know only too well that Coprbynism is the true way forward
Corbanism has transformed the party and whilst they won the arguments in the hearts and minds of all sensible thinking people it cruelly didn't lead to the Election victory they so richly deserved.
The next general election campaign effectively starts later today
Corbynism was always a joke. Just not a funny one. And the Tories had the last laugh.
I don’t know much about Starmer but he seems a pretty impressive individual (unlike Corbyn). Wouldn’t fancy his job though. Won’t be much fun dragging the Labour Party back into the 21st century.
Blue62 said:
valiant said:
I get that Labour is not your party but we do need a credible opposition to hold the sitting government to account.
Hopefully Starmer will institute a purge of Stalinesque proportions to clear all the Momentum loons from the party (or at least from positions of influence) and push back all the SWP types back to the fringes where they belong.
Agreed, some people seem to be yearning for a single party state, bit like the old Soviet Union. Our system operates at its best when there's an effective opposition and if Starmer can sort out the mess Momentum have made of things and get Labour back to be a serious electoral threat then we will all benefit, whatever our politics. Hopefully Starmer will institute a purge of Stalinesque proportions to clear all the Momentum loons from the party (or at least from positions of influence) and push back all the SWP types back to the fringes where they belong.
This Labour Party unless it fundamentally changes, which will mean it is dismantled, cleaned out and rebuilt from the bottom up will never form a credible opposition, which is exactly what I, and others, want.
RBL winning wouldn't have done that. Starmer may not be able to eliminate Momentum etc and do what’s necessary. In fact, I believe the odds are stacked against him.
I think and hope that the consequence of that will be the Labour Party, as we know it, being consigned to history allowing space for a new, rational, credible opposition to form.
I agree, the left will never get my vote but I wholeheartedly want a strong, credible opposition and the only way I see that coming is with the end of the current Labour Party, as we know it.
Carl_Manchester said:
l354uge said:
Some proper opposition is healthier for any democracy, now the student protest group Corbyn built can be banished
Yes, i agree with this, we need a good opposition, Starmer is the first step in the right direction. Rayner is an acceptable concession to keep those 'tup North happier.You’ve never been there really have you?
(Perhaps what you meant to post was ‘up t’ north’?)
valiant said:
Zirconia said:
56.2% of the vote. Was that close or a dead cert, in Labour terms that is.
Starmer won at least twice as many votes as RLB in all voting sectors (members, affiliates and registered supporters) with Nancy a distant third. Won over 50% in the first ballot so automatically wins without further ballots.https://labour.org.uk/people/leadership-elections-...
Starmer’s speech was pretty good about anti semitism (he’s against it) and not just being a protest party etc.
He basically said everything Corbyn and McDonnell and momentum have done was a load of old toss.
Not that anyone cares much at the moment.
Maybe it’s a good time for him to get rid of everything to do with the previous lot whilst everyone’s in lockdown and nobody’s watching? We might come out of lockdown and discover Starmer’s transformed labour.
I think they’ve got a tough road ahead though as Covid looks like Boris’s Falklands and will improve his popularity and ratings hugely.
Plus that debt is going to be hard to sort out.
He basically said everything Corbyn and McDonnell and momentum have done was a load of old toss.
Not that anyone cares much at the moment.
Maybe it’s a good time for him to get rid of everything to do with the previous lot whilst everyone’s in lockdown and nobody’s watching? We might come out of lockdown and discover Starmer’s transformed labour.
I think they’ve got a tough road ahead though as Covid looks like Boris’s Falklands and will improve his popularity and ratings hugely.
Plus that debt is going to be hard to sort out.
markyb_lcy said:
No, I think she’s pretty central to be honest. As I said, a pragmatist, which is what we need right now, both in the Labour Party and more widely.
I’m open to and will consider other perspectives though and I’m constantly learning, including about these candidates and now winners. Where do you think she is? Centre left? Far left?
Rayner who wanted to close private schools and seize their assets and assimilate them into the state sectorI’m open to and will consider other perspectives though and I’m constantly learning, including about these candidates and now winners. Where do you think she is? Centre left? Far left?
In labour’s party conference?
I’d say she’s far left.
The only reason she had to abandon the policy is because it wasn’t even popular with labour voters.
Crayons as deputy leader and chair of the labour party, Lammy as shadow justice secretary, wrong daily as shadow education secretary, Thornbury as shadow international trade secretary. My sides cant take it.
https://labour.org.uk/people/shadow-cabinet/
https://labour.org.uk/people/shadow-cabinet/
Andy 308GTB said:
768 said:
markyb_lcy said:
Troubleatmill said:
Starmer has made an anti-Brexit party.
Who cares. Didn’t brexit get done?Or are leavers still gonna be banging on about it and treating anyone even remotely remain-friendly like the devil in 4 years time?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52231341
But felt she had to say something, seeing as she's the Shadow Chancellor.
I'd suggest she has totally misread the mood of the country and should have stayed quiet. In this situation, Labour would gain more if they supported the Government, rather than voice crap & oppose for the sake of it.
It’s all a bit “look at me, I’m the new new shadow chancellor”. Dont like rolls said:
How can I follow them, they are vapour. All we know is he stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn supporting everything he stood for and was recommending all of us to do the same.
The man is dishonest or and opportunist with no moral backbone or principles....most likely all four, that is quite a record of horrifying proportions even for a modern politician.
Up until the election Starmer was part of a team lead by Corbyn. It would be very unusual to be part of a team and not openly support the team and it's leadership.The man is dishonest or and opportunist with no moral backbone or principles....most likely all four, that is quite a record of horrifying proportions even for a modern politician.
When the election was lost, Corbyn stood down. He was not stabbed in the back, he chose to leave.
I am struggle to see where there is dishonesty in Starmer's decision to stand for leader? It is to be inferred that, having seen Corbyn lose an election and, putting his hat in the ring to be the person responsible for getting the party elected, Starmer believes he can do a better job of it. There is no hypocrisy or dishonesty in that, is there?
AmitG said:
I think that Labour can win the next election, but they need a very strong, innovative and convincing vision for the country and they need to convince people that they can execute it. They need something that really resonates with people, really makes people sit up and take notice.
The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
I expect it depends entirely on what happens during the virus and how the conservatives are viewed to have handled it. The pandemic has actually given them an opportunity to do that. The country will need to be reshaped somewhat after this is over. They have an opportunity to present something.
Right now, I don't think that Starmer can do it. He strikes me as having very few core beliefs, and unlike Boris, he can't get people to trust him. He comes across as a bit characterless.
He was the best out of the leadership candidates, but I don't think he can do it. Having said that, I am prepared to keep an open mind...
By the next election we’ll have all the facts and like Black Friday or the Falklands war or the global financial crisis or the war in Iraq etc the government will either be amazing heroes who stopped millions dying and saved the economy or dismal failures who cause unnecessary deaths and damaged the economy for years.
If it’s the later then labour have a chance if it’s the former then forget it.
I imagine Starmer's had to pick some of the lefty thicko lot for the shadow cabinet to appease the rest of the lefty thicko lot.
Miliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
Miliband Ed Stone will give some air of credibility (but not really outside of Labour).
Sad that Starmer has won with a convincing mandate yet is either unable to pick the shadow cabinet he wants or is utterly crap at picking a good one, or both!
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