Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader

Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader

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Taylor James

3,111 posts

61 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.

Darling Jess with a bit of luck.

The denial is strong with this shower.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

12,973 posts

100 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.

Darling Jess with a bit of luck.

The denial is strong with this shower.
The exact opposite is what they need. Blair won three elections in a trot. Love him or loath him, they need a 30 something 21st century version of him.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

61 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.

Darling Jess with a bit of luck.

The denial is strong with this shower.
The exact opposite is what they need. Blair won three elections in a trot. Love him or loath him, they need a 30 something 21st century version of him.
Of course. What they need to do is pretty obvious.

But leaving to one side for a moment the minor problem that they are out for at least 5 years, you need to keep in mind that you are dealing people who are ideological fanatics AND profoundly stupid. They'll have a steady stream of naive students joining their ranks but never enough to gain power. Unfortunately for them, most people grow up and see the light.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Alan Johnson would make it interesting

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

83 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.



biggbn

23,383 posts

220 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Johnnytheboy said:
biggbn said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I'd like to see Hilary Benn in the role, but it will never happen.
I'm afraid I cannot stand that man, he would do nothing to lure me back to the fold
He's like a mirror image of his father.
I admired Tony (Benn, not Blair...) too. Two outstanding Labour MP's IMO. I held Blunket in high regard too, an incredibly sharp guy, with a cutting sarcastic humour.

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 15th December 21:10
Biggest loss was probably Robin Cook, incredibly principled man, his resignation speech ranks amongst the best examples of public speaking I have heard

230TE

2,506 posts

186 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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biggbn said:
Biggest loss was probably Robin Cook, incredibly principled man, his resignation speech ranks amongst the best examples of public speaking I have heard
Talking of speeches, this one seems as relevant to Labour now as it was in 1985. People laugh at Kinnock, but he was really on fire that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

12,973 posts

100 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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biggbn said:
Biggest loss was probably Robin Cook, incredibly principled man, his resignation speech ranks amongst the best examples of public speaking I have heard
Completely agree, and I'd also cite John Smith. Even his fierce opponent, Major, admitted that he enjoyed his company with a whiskey in the Commons bar, and that he'll miss him.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons...

Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Monday 16th December 12:59

andymadmak

14,569 posts

270 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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230TE said:
Talking of speeches, this one seems as relevant to Labour now as it was in 1985. People laugh at Kinnock, but he was really on fire that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guPsvUlMHEE


Brave Fart

5,729 posts

111 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Listening to a newly elected Labour MP, Florence somethingorother - she represents Vauxhall, I think. Not the cars!
She is adamant that the next Labour leader "must be female, preferably BAME like myself".

Nice to know that she is against discrimination.............

abzmike

8,387 posts

106 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Fundoreen said:
Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Exactly - The left are racing to fill the vacuum with thier preferred candidate and keep pushing thier (failed) narrative. The sensible heads need to get a grip and slow all this down so they actually formulate a set of policies that can get them elected, under a leader who is credible. They probably won't though - Which is a disaster for everyone because an unchallenged right wing Tory government will be bad for everyone.

230TE

2,506 posts

186 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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abzmike said:
Which is a disaster for everyone because an unchallenged right wing Tory government will be bad for everyone.
"Would be", not "will be". I've got someone on another thread claiming the Tories are Left-wing. You can't both be correct.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

61 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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abzmike said:
Fundoreen said:
Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Exactly - The left are racing to fill the vacuum with thier preferred candidate and keep pushing thier (failed) narrative. The sensible heads need to get a grip and slow all this down so they actually formulate a set of policies that can get them elected, under a leader who is credible. They probably won't though - Which is a disaster for everyone because an unchallenged right wing Tory government will be bad for everyone.
The sensible heads are not in charge though. It will be stitched up by Corbyn, Momentum and the NEC.

jonby

5,357 posts

157 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.

Darling Jess with a bit of luck.

The denial is strong with this shower.
Jess Philips ? She is not a hard leftist. Or perhaps I'm mis-reading and you mean you'd prefer Jess over a hard leftist ?

She's not a blairite, but far closer to that end of the spectrum

She is arguably the most electable to the general population, but not to the members who actually get to vote on the next leader. I think she would be the most dangerous to the tories

Angela Raynor might be one to watch - she's of course being mentioned as a possible runner and she's difficult to pigenhole. She would probably pitch more centrally, but was close to and highly rated by corbyn/mcdonnell to potentially get the membership vote. Personally I think she would be political suicide for labour, but that's not my problem.


anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.

Darling Jess with a bit of luck.

The denial is strong with this shower.
Hi
Not being sure if you mean Darling Jess as in Jess Phillips will be a hard leftist figure approved by Momentum ?
reason I post this is that she is despised by momentum.
But I may get your meaning wrong and you are saying Jess Phillips Rather than a hard leftist momentum figure

jonby said:
Jess Philips ? She is not a hard leftist. Or perhaps I'm mis-reading and you mean you'd prefer Jess over a hard leftist ?

She's not a blairite, but far closer to that end of the spectrum

She is arguably the most electable to the general population, but not to the members who actually get to vote on the next leader. I think she would be the most dangerous to the tories

Angela Raynor might be one to watch - she's of course being mentioned as a possible runner and she's difficult to pigenhole. She would probably pitch more centrally, but was close to and highly rated by corbyn/mcdonnell to potentially get the membership vote. Personally I think she would be political suicide for labour, but that's not my problem.
SNAP
I quoted and responded to Taylor James before scolling further.

About the only thing Jess Phillips has going for her is a high profile but I think she will be awful. But nowhere near as truly awful as Angela Rayner.
Rayner is a vile individual who has shown her sneering arrogance throughout the campaign

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th December 18:09

williamp

19,260 posts

273 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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One word: David Lammy.

Solid, never put a foot wrong, never said anything wrong. Londoner who knows his way found the north and south circular. So thats North and South

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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jess phillips would be an antidote to the islington/metropolitan slurs

she is hardly one of the Eton / oxbridge mob and she would be fun at PMQ's if boris ever starts doing them again

Earthdweller

13,559 posts

126 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Sky saying a Long-Bailey/Rayner dream duo is likely

Well, probably in somebody’s dreams smile

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Earthdweller said:
Sky saying a Long-Bailey/Rayner dream duo is likely

Well, probably in somebody’s dreams smile
I had best not comment

br d

8,402 posts

226 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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They will stick with the Momentum line for now but it's 5 year run, in that timescale what they do immediately is a bit irrelevant. Let them put any McDonnell clone in for now, it surely can't last a full term.

I hope the hard left will be gradually whittled away, if Boris does a half decent job the more centrist Labour members must come to the fore or they'll just be handing him 10 years.
We need a decent opposition.