Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader
Discussion
Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.
Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
The exact opposite is what they need. Blair won three elections in a trot. Love him or loath him, they need a 30 something 21st century version of him.Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.
Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
The exact opposite is what they need. Blair won three elections in a trot. Love him or loath him, they need a 30 something 21st century version of him.Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
But leaving to one side for a moment the minor problem that they are out for at least 5 years, you need to keep in mind that you are dealing people who are ideological fanatics AND profoundly stupid. They'll have a steady stream of naive students joining their ranks but never enough to gain power. Unfortunately for them, most people grow up and see the light.
Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
Johnnytheboy said:
biggbn said:
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I'd like to see Hilary Benn in the role, but it will never happen.
I'm afraid I cannot stand that man, he would do nothing to lure me back to the foldEdited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Sunday 15th December 21:10
biggbn said:
Biggest loss was probably Robin Cook, incredibly principled man, his resignation speech ranks amongst the best examples of public speaking I have heard
Talking of speeches, this one seems as relevant to Labour now as it was in 1985. People laugh at Kinnock, but he was really on fire that day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
biggbn said:
Biggest loss was probably Robin Cook, incredibly principled man, his resignation speech ranks amongst the best examples of public speaking I have heard
Completely agree, and I'd also cite John Smith. Even his fierce opponent, Major, admitted that he enjoyed his company with a whiskey in the Commons bar, and that he'll miss him.https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons...
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Monday 16th December 12:59
230TE said:
Talking of speeches, this one seems as relevant to Labour now as it was in 1985. People laugh at Kinnock, but he was really on fire that day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
And this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guPsvUlMHEE
Fundoreen said:
Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Exactly - The left are racing to fill the vacuum with thier preferred candidate and keep pushing thier (failed) narrative. The sensible heads need to get a grip and slow all this down so they actually formulate a set of policies that can get them elected, under a leader who is credible. They probably won't though - Which is a disaster for everyone because an unchallenged right wing Tory government will be bad for everyone.They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
abzmike said:
Fundoreen said:
Whats the rush? Until they know how the dust has settled and where we are going why bother.
They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Exactly - The left are racing to fill the vacuum with thier preferred candidate and keep pushing thier (failed) narrative. The sensible heads need to get a grip and slow all this down so they actually formulate a set of policies that can get them elected, under a leader who is credible. They probably won't though - Which is a disaster for everyone because an unchallenged right wing Tory government will be bad for everyone.They had the right idea putting the brakes on for a few months so the spotlight could shift onto other guilty people in the party.
They may as well get someone thats easy on the eyes and ears as they wont be doing anything much for the next 5-10 years.
Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.
Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
Jess Philips ? She is not a hard leftist. Or perhaps I'm mis-reading and you mean you'd prefer Jess over a hard leftist ?Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
She's not a blairite, but far closer to that end of the spectrum
She is arguably the most electable to the general population, but not to the members who actually get to vote on the next leader. I think she would be the most dangerous to the tories
Angela Raynor might be one to watch - she's of course being mentioned as a possible runner and she's difficult to pigenhole. She would probably pitch more centrally, but was close to and highly rated by corbyn/mcdonnell to potentially get the membership vote. Personally I think she would be political suicide for labour, but that's not my problem.
Taylor James said:
Corbyn and Momentum will install another hard leftist.
Darling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
HiDarling Jess with a bit of luck.
The denial is strong with this shower.
Not being sure if you mean Darling Jess as in Jess Phillips will be a hard leftist figure approved by Momentum ?
reason I post this is that she is despised by momentum.
But I may get your meaning wrong and you are saying Jess Phillips Rather than a hard leftist momentum figure
jonby said:
Jess Philips ? She is not a hard leftist. Or perhaps I'm mis-reading and you mean you'd prefer Jess over a hard leftist ?
She's not a blairite, but far closer to that end of the spectrum
She is arguably the most electable to the general population, but not to the members who actually get to vote on the next leader. I think she would be the most dangerous to the tories
Angela Raynor might be one to watch - she's of course being mentioned as a possible runner and she's difficult to pigenhole. She would probably pitch more centrally, but was close to and highly rated by corbyn/mcdonnell to potentially get the membership vote. Personally I think she would be political suicide for labour, but that's not my problem.
SNAP She's not a blairite, but far closer to that end of the spectrum
She is arguably the most electable to the general population, but not to the members who actually get to vote on the next leader. I think she would be the most dangerous to the tories
Angela Raynor might be one to watch - she's of course being mentioned as a possible runner and she's difficult to pigenhole. She would probably pitch more centrally, but was close to and highly rated by corbyn/mcdonnell to potentially get the membership vote. Personally I think she would be political suicide for labour, but that's not my problem.
I quoted and responded to Taylor James before scolling further.
About the only thing Jess Phillips has going for her is a high profile but I think she will be awful. But nowhere near as truly awful as Angela Rayner.
Rayner is a vile individual who has shown her sneering arrogance throughout the campaign
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th December 18:09
They will stick with the Momentum line for now but it's 5 year run, in that timescale what they do immediately is a bit irrelevant. Let them put any McDonnell clone in for now, it surely can't last a full term.
I hope the hard left will be gradually whittled away, if Boris does a half decent job the more centrist Labour members must come to the fore or they'll just be handing him 10 years.
We need a decent opposition.
I hope the hard left will be gradually whittled away, if Boris does a half decent job the more centrist Labour members must come to the fore or they'll just be handing him 10 years.
We need a decent opposition.
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