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PSB1 said:
Prime Minister material. princeperch and Randy Winkman representing the CS here - fair play each of you for putting your head above the parapet.
The BEIS lack of BAME SCS is a huge focus at the moment. In terms of gender I think the CS is mostly female. I think it does ok in terms of equality (apart from the BAME thing, which is an issue I agree) and certainly better than other private and public sector places I'm aware of.
I agree with most of your points re: management, pay, inertia, those who hang around forever because a) they couldn't get a job anywhere else and b) performance management is paltry.
I also, strangely, find myself agreeing with the eponymous SPAD in many ways. In amongst all of the "look at me" pseudo-intellectualism there are some valid and all-too-relatable points that he raises. For example:
I tried to add up in my head the cost lost in meetings to IT issues (not in the meat of the meeting, that's another just-as-valid point entirely) but on connections lost, phones not working, video freezing, very very senior staff not knowing how to work microphones properly, during one particularly pause in proceedings. I gave up. It's thousands. Ever hour.
In the private sector we'd just buy more / better kit but we can't do that here. Dongle theft should be a sackable offence in itself - costs 10k a week in scrabbling about under tables for the right connector I'd bet.
Anyway, I'm not emailing DCum just yet, still lots interesting to do in the normal CS if you're game.
---Odited fur speeling---
The BEIS lack of BAME SCS is a huge focus at the moment. In terms of gender I think the CS is mostly female. I think it does ok in terms of equality (apart from the BAME thing, which is an issue I agree) and certainly better than other private and public sector places I'm aware of.
I agree with most of your points re: management, pay, inertia, those who hang around forever because a) they couldn't get a job anywhere else and b) performance management is paltry.
I also, strangely, find myself agreeing with the eponymous SPAD in many ways. In amongst all of the "look at me" pseudo-intellectualism there are some valid and all-too-relatable points that he raises. For example:
I tried to add up in my head the cost lost in meetings to IT issues (not in the meat of the meeting, that's another just-as-valid point entirely) but on connections lost, phones not working, video freezing, very very senior staff not knowing how to work microphones properly, during one particularly pause in proceedings. I gave up. It's thousands. Ever hour.
In the private sector we'd just buy more / better kit but we can't do that here. Dongle theft should be a sackable offence in itself - costs 10k a week in scrabbling about under tables for the right connector I'd bet.
Anyway, I'm not emailing DCum just yet, still lots interesting to do in the normal CS if you're game.
---Odited fur speeling---
Countdown said:
Interesting insight perhaps into why he is so popular on here. DeepEnd said:
Interesting insight perhaps into why he is so popular on here.
The style of the article is redolent of the posting style of a few remainers on here. Barbed and inaccurate, laced with a huge dollop of assumption and know it all. I'm just amazed it doesn't mention Ghosn's eyebrows
Countdown said:
Sway said:
Halb said:
Countdown said:
What kind of projects have been successfully implemented which have been staffed by "wierdos, misfits, people who never went to University"?
Projects failure isn't restricted to just the Public Sector. It's possibly more noticed in the Public Sector because the size of the projects carried out tends to be so big). I'm not saying there isn't a place for wierdos and misfits somewhere in the CS, (our IT team is full of them) but it's not likely to improve the CS in any significant way.
Bletchley Park?Projects failure isn't restricted to just the Public Sector. It's possibly more noticed in the Public Sector because the size of the projects carried out tends to be so big). I'm not saying there isn't a place for wierdos and misfits somewhere in the CS, (our IT team is full of them) but it's not likely to improve the CS in any significant way.
SOE?
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/intellige...
misfits in soe
https://www.academia.edu/24370665/IRREGULAR_WARFAR...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rogues-misfits-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filthy_Thirteen
Away from warfare, Apple saluted the misfit culture when they had that advert a while back, a salute to the culture that made silicon valley with all the garage creators who went onto make the industry.
"Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do."
andymadmak said:
Countdown said:
Which bits were inaccurate?
Most of it.. but this one made I larf out loud..article from journalist desperately trying to be clever said:
Because scientists, for the most part, don’t want to come to little, parochial, backwards-looking Britain anymore.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
Countdown said:
Why do you think that part was inaccurate? The links below suggest it's true.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
Those articles don't actually say what the article in question is inferring. They point to a surge in academics leaving post the Brexit vote, in part due to the uncertainty (at that time) https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
The article in question says that academics don't want to come here (and then uses some derogatory language about the country, which I doubt many academics would agree with). I'll accept it's a subtle difference, but it is a real difference.
DeepEnd said:
Countdown said:
Interesting insight perhaps into why he is so popular on here. ...It is a parody isn't it?
andymadmak said:
Countdown said:
Why do you think that part was inaccurate? The links below suggest it's true.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
Those articles don't actually say what the article in question is inferring. They point to a surge in academics leaving post the Brexit vote, in part due to the uncertainty (at that time) https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
The article in question says that academics don't want to come here (and then uses some derogatory language about the country, which I doubt many academics would agree with). I'll accept it's a subtle difference, but it is a real difference.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7935965...
“ Looking for oddballs to excite Boris? The PM's No 10 Svengali wants 'geeks' to change Britain. Here, Johnson's perky former confidante JENNY ARCURI writes: I'm your gal!”
“ Looking for oddballs to excite Boris? The PM's No 10 Svengali wants 'geeks' to change Britain. Here, Johnson's perky former confidante JENNY ARCURI writes: I'm your gal!”
El stovey said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7935965...
“ Looking for oddballs to excite Boris? The PM's No 10 Svengali wants 'geeks' to change Britain. Here, Johnson's perky former confidante JENNY ARCURI writes: I'm your gal!”
Brilliant “ Looking for oddballs to excite Boris? The PM's No 10 Svengali wants 'geeks' to change Britain. Here, Johnson's perky former confidante JENNY ARCURI writes: I'm your gal!”
I wonder if she'll get an interview.
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