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Brooking10 said:
Bump
Keen to hear this too
Just had a reply but it seems they are struggling.Keen to hear this too
Pandora said:
Dear Kai-man
Thank you for your application. Unfortunately Dom was struggling to find a 16mm projector to pass a PAT test and, more recently, has been busy preparing to abolish PAT tests. Not spitting the tea but the whole thing is making him salty.
However, in preparation for the next stage, here are some sample psychometric test questions:
Next Gen or Original series
Ballieric or Pumpin’
Han or Gredo
Almond or Soy
Flat white or Americano
Yurt or camper
Goatee or soul patch
Greta or Gore
"Keep some room in your heart for the unimaginable"
Pan
Thank you for your application. Unfortunately Dom was struggling to find a 16mm projector to pass a PAT test and, more recently, has been busy preparing to abolish PAT tests. Not spitting the tea but the whole thing is making him salty.
However, in preparation for the next stage, here are some sample psychometric test questions:
Next Gen or Original series
Ballieric or Pumpin’
Han or Gredo
Almond or Soy
Flat white or Americano
Yurt or camper
Goatee or soul patch
Greta or Gore
"Keep some room in your heart for the unimaginable"
Pan
Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 2nd February 10:36
DeepEnd said:
What is Sabisky’s PH name?
First thing I thought when I saw the story about him. 
Seriously though, it’s worrying that someone like that can get through the selection process to be a senior advisor to the government!
As I said to a mate yesterday when we were talking about it; he sounds (from the article in the i at least) like a man with a high IQ, low to zero levels of empathy, questionable social skills, and a collection of human heads in his freezer!
Countdown said:
andymadmak said:
Countdown said:
Which bits were inaccurate?
Most of it.. but this one made I larf out loud..article from journalist desperately trying to be clever said:
Because scientists, for the most part, don’t want to come to little, parochial, backwards-looking Britain anymore.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/more-eur...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educa...
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/increas...
Nothing apart from blatant bias suggests 'little' or 'parochial' or backward-looking'. It's almost as though the writer is still in grief after the vote, slinging insults around at those who think differently.
The issue is in any case about quality not quantity.
TeaNoSugar said:
DeepEnd said:
What is Sabisky’s PH name?
First thing I thought when I saw the story about him. Seriously though, it’s worrying that someone like that can get through the selection process to be a senior advisor to the government!
As I said to a mate yesterday when we were talking about it; he sounds (from the article in the i at least) like a man with a high IQ, low to zero levels of empathy, questionable social skills, and a collection of human heads in his freezer!
He actually tweeting something about IQ being genetically linked to race, and apparently ho what could be linked to immigration policy. Incredible that he was actually hired.
Eric Mc said:
Advertise for weirdos - you get weirdos.
Hardly surprising.
Cummings had specifically said he was looking “to find and exploit, without worrying about media noise… ‘very high leverage ideas’ [that] these will almost inevitably seem bad to most".Hardly surprising.
Perhaps like applying racist eugenics theory to immigration policy? Remember the eugenics posts were on Cummings' own website.
Horrible man that should be nowhere near a civilised Government. And Boris is typically showing a lack of leadership by being nowhere to be seen.
Bussolini said:
Cummings had specifically said he was looking “to find and exploit, without worrying about media noise… ‘very high leverage ideas’ [that] these will almost inevitably seem bad to most".
Perhaps like applying racist eugenics theory to immigration policy? Remember the eugenics posts were on Cummings' own website.
Horrible man that should be nowhere near a civilised Government. And Boris is typically showing a lack of leadership by being nowhere to be seen.
Except that isn't what he said. Perhaps like applying racist eugenics theory to immigration policy? Remember the eugenics posts were on Cummings' own website.
Horrible man that should be nowhere near a civilised Government. And Boris is typically showing a lack of leadership by being nowhere to be seen.
I wonder how many took the story at face value and how many either knew the story behind it or researched it for themselves? I wonder how many read what he said in context? I wonder what proportion of those that took it at face value spent the day on Twitter moaning about the Media spreading lies and harassing people? Be honest now...
The main thing that was poor was his one thought that genetics were a significant contributor to the well documented case of IQ difference that he cited, which is, in my opinion and most researchers, false. [The differences in IQ when split by race are there, but many factors influence this so no conclusion can, nor should imo, be drawn. Asians score highest btw, before y'all start howling].
The rest was Mr Spock stuff that someone probably on the scale would say; the unsayable. [If you could raise the av. IQ of the country by 10 pts with a 1 in 72M chance of fatality, would you...? If you could save the planet by steadying population through mandatory birth control to prevent unplanned children, would you...?] It's a subject to think about, not an imminent policy, it is spitballing, not a White Paper.
Good for breaking groupthink, poor for PR, probably poor company. Best he went before the next news cycle tells us what to think.
Eric Mc said:
If you have people with off the wall opinions, being used to bounce around policy ideas, you are going to have problems. It's inevitable - and Cummings should know that.
I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
You may well be right Eric.I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
For interest, as it's the easiest to read [not insulting, just that a lot of the stuff is dense] here's the 'kill a kid' comment in the context of a short article:
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/andrew-sabisky-political...
As a psychological experiment, if anyone cares to read this, take an impression tabula rassa, and then map that impression on the one given by SM/MSM on the subject. It's not Mengele, you're quite safe...
Be interested. [Bear in mind my previous about genetics/IQ, where I think he is wrong]
Eric Mc said:
If you have people with off the wall opinions, being used to bounce around policy ideas, you are going to have problems. It's inevitable - and Cummings should know that.
I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
Sure but does it matter what his views on eugenics or woman’s sports etc are? He’s there to solve problems and have a different way of looking at things. Maybe you wouldn’t want him looking at problems involving empathy or EI or people but he might be great at applying his brain to other kinds of problems? I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
Many of these types of people will have views that might make them unelectable or look bad in front of a camera or not good team players or people managers etc but that’s not why he’s there.
History is full of famous scientists and inventors and thinkers that were amazing in their fields but their twitter feed (if it had been around) would likely have had all sorts of views that sounded a bit lacking in empathy.
I bet Bletchley park had some people you wouldn’t want to go on holiday with but they were there to be cypher breaking boffins not sex therapists.
El stovey said:
Sure but does it matter what his views on eugenics or woman’s sports etc are? He’s there to solve problems and have a different way of looking at things. Maybe you wouldn’t want him looking at problems involving empathy or EI or people but he might be great at applying his brain to other kinds of problems?
Many of these types of people will have views that might make them unelectable or look bad in front of a camera or not good team players or people managers etc but that’s not why he’s there.
History is full of famous scientists and inventors and thinkers that were amazing in their fields but their twitter feed (if it had been around) would likely have had all sorts of views that sounded a bit lacking in empathy.
I bet Bletchley park had some people you wouldn’t want to go on holiday with but they were there to be cypher breaking boffins not sex therapists.
If he is involved in policy making and working for Government, then yes his views on eugenics and women's sport do matter. It's a signal as to what his other views are likely to be and his suitability for such a role. Such people with such disturbed views should be nowhere near Govt.Many of these types of people will have views that might make them unelectable or look bad in front of a camera or not good team players or people managers etc but that’s not why he’s there.
History is full of famous scientists and inventors and thinkers that were amazing in their fields but their twitter feed (if it had been around) would likely have had all sorts of views that sounded a bit lacking in empathy.
I bet Bletchley park had some people you wouldn’t want to go on holiday with but they were there to be cypher breaking boffins not sex therapists.
And enough with the bletchley park nonsense. There is no suggestion he is some sort of genius just an individual with a good education and nasty views.
Bussolini said:
If he is involved in policy making and working for Government, then yes his views on eugenics and women's sport do matter. It's a signal as to what his other views are likely to be and his suitability for such a role. Such people with such disturbed views should be nowhere near Govt.
And enough with the bletchley park nonsense. There is no suggestion he is some sort of genius just an individual with a good education and nasty views.
He's a polymath with a good Brier score, if you're familiar with predictive probabilities, I'd rec'd Tetlock's 'Expert Political Judgment' to see why we've probably thrown out a good asset with the bathwater. And enough with the bletchley park nonsense. There is no suggestion he is some sort of genius just an individual with a good education and nasty views.
"Children are the boldest philosophers. They enter life naked, not covered by the smallest fig leaf of dogma, absolutes, creeds. This is why every question they ask is so absurdly naïve and so frighteningly complex." Zamyatin; [the inspiration for Huxley and Orwell].
El stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
If you have people with off the wall opinions, being used to bounce around policy ideas, you are going to have problems. It's inevitable - and Cummings should know that.
I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
Sure but does it matter what his views on eugenics or woman’s sports etc are? He’s there to solve problems and have a different way of looking at things. Maybe you wouldn’t want him looking at problems involving empathy or EI or people but he might be great at applying his brain to other kinds of problems? I am sure it will end in tears for Cummings at some point.
Many of these types of people will have views that might make them unelectable or look bad in front of a camera or not good team players or people managers etc but that’s not why he’s there.
History is full of famous scientists and inventors and thinkers that were amazing in their fields but their twitter feed (if it had been around) would likely have had all sorts of views that sounded a bit lacking in empathy.
I bet Bletchley park had some people you wouldn’t want to go on holiday with but they were there to be cypher breaking boffins not sex therapists.
Twin studies and that of adopted children have estimated the inherited proportion of IQ as being between 50% and 73%. That is both scientific fact (based on currently available evidence) and controversial for anyone in public life to come out and say. Hence all the comments about him being a nutty supporter of eugenics.
Someone hired to think outside the box isn't going to conform to group think. He did however deserve to be fired because he was foolish enough to put any controversial views on a public forum under his own name.
Murph7355 said:
Bussolini said:
....Such people with such disturbed views...
Reading the article linked to, do you know his views per se?Some of the questions he poses/recounts are interesting....
As a genius predictor he seemed to fail to predict Brexit.
He’d also put go to Mass on a bus, so he’s also something of a religious zealot.
DeepEnd said:
Really, which ones? Was it the “dressing it up as a health benefit”?
As a genius predictor he seemed to fail to predict Brexit.
He’d also put go to Mass on a bus, so he’s also something of a religious zealot.
Not convinced you read the article. Or understood it if you did. As a genius predictor he seemed to fail to predict Brexit.
He’d also put go to Mass on a bus, so he’s also something of a religious zealot.
They're not difficult questions in themselves and I didn't take from the linked article which way he would lean in answering them. Just because somebody poses a question, doesn't mean you know what they would answer.
One of them was along the lines of "if you could improve everyone's IQ by 10% but in doing so 1 in 72m would die, would you?".
I think these are interesting moral dilemmas and ones that government need to be thinking about - the NHS for example. Perhaps not that specific question, but dilemmas like it. Tough decisions are needed or you end up in a mess. Again, witness the NHS.
BTW, I'm not sure where in that article he cited himself as a prediction genius. You seem to be reading that into it due to your own bias. The media outlets generally have done the same. Which is something I could have scored 0 on from a prediction perspective
Is that the way we want to operate?
You are very quick to denigrate opinions that don't match your own, even when your view of them could well be very flawed. And you have the chutzpah to call others "zealots"...
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